Some encouraging news on natural immunity you might not have seen…

[gsxrken]

For whatever reason, we hear all about the number of the vaccinated, and the unvaccinated… but we don’t hear anything at all about the number of those recovered from Covid. There is some overlap of these three groups, of course, but to what extent is unknowable.
Anyway…it turns out there is some reason to be optimistic about what is emerging in terms of lasting immunity after one has recovered from Covid. That’s a good thing. And just to PARF-proof this, this isn’t an argument for or against vaccination. At this point, everyone has either been vaccinated, already had covid, or has been offered to be vaccinated for free. We can’t do more than that.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8253687/
May 29, 2021
This study found strong immune signs in people who had previously been infected with Covid-19, including “those [who] experienced asymptomatic or mild disease.” The study concludes there is “reason for optimism” regarding the capacity of prior infection “to limit disease severity and transmission of variants of concern as they continue to arise and circulate.”
https://www.thelancet.com/action/sho...370(21)00182-6
May 24, 2021
This study of real world data extended the timeframe of available data indicating that patients have strong immune indicators for “almost a year post-natural infection of COVID-19.” The study concludes the immune response after natural infection "may persist for longer than previously thought, thereby providing evidence of sustainability that may influence post-pandemic planning.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4
This study examined bone marrow of previously-infected patients and found that even mild infection with Covid-19 “induces robust antigen-specific, long-lived humoral immune memory in humans.” The study indicates "People who have had mild illness develop antibody-producing cells that can last lifetime.”

This scientific brief issued by WHO states that after natural infection with Covid-19, “available scientific data suggests that in most people immune responses remain robust and protective against reinfection for at least 6-8 months.”
https://www.cell.com/immunity/fullte...showall%3Dtrue
This study found humoral and cellular immunity in recovered Covid patients. "Production of S-RBD-specific antibodies were readily detected in recovered patients. Moreover, we observed virus-neutralization activities in these recovered patients," wrote the study authors.The adaptive immune system consists of three major lymphocyte types: B cells (antibody producing cells), CD4+ T cells (helper T cells), and CD8+ T cells (cytotoxic, or killer, T cells
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...670v1.full.pdf
April 24, 2021 This study from Israel found a slight advantage to natural infection over vaccination when it comes to preventing a reinfection and severe illness from Covid-19. The study authors concluded, "Our results question the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals."
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-...overy-covid-19
Jan. 26, 2021 Research funded by the National Institutes of Health and published in Science early in the Covid-19 vaccine effort found the “immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection," and hoped the vaccines would produce similar immunity. (However, experts say they do not appear to be doing so.)
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....15.21249731v2
Nov. 1, 2020 This study concluded "T cell" immune response in former Covid-19 patients likely continues to protect amid Covid-19 variants.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z
This study found that all patients who recently recovered from Covid-19 produced immunity-strong T cells that recognize multiple parts of Covid-19.
They also looked at blood samples from 23 people who’d survived a 2003 outbreak of a coronavirus: SARS (Cov-1). These people still had lasting memory T cells 17 years after the outbreak. Those memory T cells, acquired in response to SARS-CoV-1, also recognized parts of Covid-19 (SARS-CoV-2). Much of the study on the immune response to SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19, has focused on the production of antibodies. But, in fact, immune cells known as memory T cells also play an important role in the ability of our immune systems to protect us against many viral infections, including—it now appears—COVID-19.

[RM512]

The 'Karens' won't believe any of this......

[Sooner or later]

We have always known an infection gave protection for a considerable amount of time. As we goes on we have a better idea at how long it actually lasts. A year or more is not surprising. I hope it ends up at decades, though I doubt it.

Some people pay a terrible price to achieve that immunity.

[fanaudical]

That is some good data.

Here's to hoping that this delta variant runs its course sooner than later and leaves no room for these other mutated variants to take hold...

[mdj930]

Where do I get my vaccine card for my natural immunity?

[island911]

Originally Posted by mdj930

Where do I get my vaccine card for my natural immunity?

Nailed it!

This like back in the 70's when the US mandated catalytic converters. They did not simply make some clean air standard that cars could pass one way or another. Instead they mandated that every car be equipped. Guess which country also had the inside track on manufacturing cat's...

Similarly the vax push is not about safety. It's money and control.

As the OP said so perfectly: At this point, everyone has either been vaccinated, already had covid, or has been offered to be vaccinated for free. We can’t do more than that.

[Steve Carlton]

I would agree that previously infected people have a leg up on fighting a subsequent infection, but it still looks like the vaccine provides better protection. I suspect a lot of this is due to the Delta variant, which is a recent "game changer."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/08/13/fact-check-vaccine-has-benefits-even-those-past-covid-19-infections/5545009001/

[island911]

"fact check" ? on the weeks old the Delta variant? ^

Yes, let's pretend that all of the facts are in on this.

smells like more propaganda to me.

I suppose that it could simply be click-bait for those who want to be told that they are EXTRA protected.

[Jeff Hail]

As far back as 2008 it was known that people who have who survived the 1918 influenza pandemic revealed that antibodies to the (H1N1) strain have lasted a lifetime. In addition antibodies were passed down to children.

In fact it was a younger Doctor named Anthony Fauci, MD, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said recent studies have projected that immunity lasts several decades; the current study provides proof, the AP reported. "This is the mother of all immunological memory here," he told the AP.

Today Dr. Faustus may not agree with himself and would tend to flip flop.

Quote: " "This is the mother of all immunological memory here," he told the AP."

Taken from article CIDRAP Aug 19, 2008
Filed Under: H1N1 2009 Pandemic Influenza; Influenza, General; Pandemic Influenza

[island911]

Yep.. Steve's link... part of the vaccine-a-thon. ...

"People who have recovered from COVID-19 are still at risk of contracting the virus again, according to new data from the CDC."

Yeah, and People who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 are still at risk of contracting the virus again, according to new data from the CDC. But they don't say that, do they?

[Steve Carlton]

It's clear you didn't watch the video or read the link, island. Where do you get the facts you rely on? Being the loudest mouth on this forum doesn't give you any credibility as far as I'm concerned. You've gone off the deep end with your conspiracy theories. It makes me sad that guys like you (and many others) are so deluded that we have to go through a fourth wave of this virus. All the people that got their information from Facebook and god knows where else that are going to die or have long term effects, and the young children as well that don't get a choice. Shame on you.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by mdj930

Where do I get my vaccine card for my natural immunity?

No dice, mandatory jab for everyone

Natural immunity is superior to that provided by vaccines.

It is insane they are going to force the jab on children. It would be criminal if it were not the government doing it

[beepbeep]

Natural immunity is great for those that recover from Covid.
Not so great for those who do not.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Natural immunity is superior to that provided by vaccines.

Based on what?

[island911]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Based on what?

Imma going to go with Based on the fact that natural immunity has a more proven track record.

We are fast approaching the mark of 200 million documented natural immunity cases, and you feel the need to shlt on that?

This is crazy, the OP posts a positive about natural immunity and some people loose their minds.

Originally Posted by beepbeep

Natural immunity is great for those that recover from Covid.
Not so great for those who do not.

This is not always true.

Dying is not the worst thing that can happen to a person. Some live in agony circling the drain with cancer, sever mental issues... A quick death can be a blessing.

The majority of covid deaths have been old, problematic people. - "one foot already in the grave" so to speak.

one more thought

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by island911

Imma going to go with Based on the fact that natural immunity has a more proven track record.

We are fast approaching the mark of 200 million documented natural immunity cases, and you feel the need to shlt on that?

This is crazy, the OP posts a positive about natural immunity and some people loose their minds.

Not against the variants of Covid it doesn't.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by island911

Yeah, and People who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 are still at risk of contracting the virus again, according to new data from the CDC. But they don't say that, do they?

Yes, they do.

https://www.pharmalive.com/covid-19-infection-after-vaccine-is-rare-but-possible-cdc-says/

[island911]

I was referring to the one-sided article. Obviously the CDC says that^ But the article highlights the fear of not getting jabbed.

Not against the variants of Covid it doesn't.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Next up, the Alpha Delta-force plus variant.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by island911

I was referring to the one-sided article. Obviously the CDC says that^ But the article highlights the fear of not getting jabbed.



Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Next up, the Alpha Delta-force plus variant.

I'm not afraid at all. Just challenging another incorrect assertion you made. There's virtually no evidence suggesting that being infected offers better protection than the vaccines. In fact, it has been shown that people who were infected, became infected again with the same strain.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by island911

smells like more propaganda to me.

Everything smells like propaganda to you. Roll out another goofball conspiracy that "they" are out to get us and you're right behind it, predictable as an atomic clock.