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javadog 09-28-2021 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by upsscott (Post 11469514)

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 11469499)
It’s almost as if they look for a reason not to inform themselves.

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Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 11469781)
Well, there was a lot I didn't know in that.

I have to date thought CV19 was lung rather than blood.

That’s what most people think, glad you read it. The entire point of the post was to educate people, because I don’t think they really understand this disease.

Steve Carlton 09-28-2021 10:06 AM

javadog, do you not see a problem with taking anything from a crackpot seriously? Does the source not matter to you, as long as it says what you want to hear? I could go out into the back yard and search through my dogs' sh.t looking for diamonds, but I know better.

javadog 09-28-2021 10:09 AM

Did you actually read the ****ing thing? Do you have any criticism whatsoever of the portion of what he wrote that discussed the mechanism of the disease caused by this virus?

Don’t just look at the quotes posted by the liberal twats here, that wasn’t the point of the article.

upsscott 09-28-2021 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 11469791)
That’s what most people think, glad you read it. The entire point of the post was to educate people, because I don’t think they really understand this disease.


I understand completely. I understand that I don’t want to get it and if I do I want to take the easiest path to beating it. I’ve always trusted my doctor for everything related to any illness I may have. News not the time to change that way of thinking. I don’t believe the vaccine is a way to shoot poison into my brain. I believe the vaccine like other vaccines were discovered to keep mankind alive. This situation we’re in, in respect to the vaccine and the hesitancy that comes with it, will weed out the stupid ones most definitely, or a few of them at least.

javadog 09-28-2021 10:39 AM

This vaccine isn’t anything like previous vaccines, so don’t let that word give you a false sense of security.

The article explains that detail.

We are all free to make informed choices, I’d argue that very few that have made that choice have done so in an informed fashion.

pavulon 09-28-2021 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by beepbeep (Post 11469389)
TLDR:



To PARF please.

When the echo in PARF gets too loud...

upsscott 09-28-2021 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 11469846)
This vaccine isn’t anything like previous vaccines, so don’t let that word give you a false sense of security.

The article explains that detail.

We are all free to make informed choices, I’d argue that very few that have made that choice have done so in an informed fashion.


My doctor advised that I get it. I asked him if it was potentially dangerous. He said absolutely not but you know what is potentially dangerous? Well, your stupid zero hedge article will tell you what that is….

oldE 09-28-2021 12:50 PM

Ok. I read the piece.
Last month I moved 6 loads of manure from the horse barn to the fields. The output of our horses has been surpassed by that load.
Apart from the pseudo science and conspiracy theories, I feel the red herring is in the lead paragraph.
It is not a bio war waged against a population, but rather a war against western society perpetrated by cyber labs under the control of Donnie,s old buddy Vladimir.
Divide and conquer. It seems to be working.

Best
Les

javadog 09-28-2021 01:01 PM

If that’s what you got out of the article, you ought to stick to shoveling horse****. It seems to suit you.

oldE 09-28-2021 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 11470009)
If that’s what you got out of the article, you ought to stick to shoveling horse****. It seems to suit you.

Actually, like the authors of that piece, I used a front end loader and a spreader. :D

All the best
Les

911Ghia 09-28-2021 01:15 PM

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Paul T 09-28-2021 01:32 PM

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javadog 09-28-2021 01:52 PM

^^^^. Is that fromhaving to replace all of the staff that quit because they refused to be vaccinated? Think that will work in New York, too?

MikeSid 09-28-2021 02:13 PM

I read the entire piece. I found it really silly.

The recitation of the mechanism of the disease is all well and good. I didn't learn anything there.
The author basically takes us through a cellular level description of virus becoming disease. Anyone that understands the upper level science he discusses didn't learn anything new. Anyone that didn't understand it (which is most of his audience) didn't learn anything because it is not well explained to a lay person. The author's point here is disingenuous; it's not really to educate, it's to impress so that the less well reasoned arguments get a pass from the reader.

The location of the furin cleavage site and the likelihood that this is a human engineered virus resulting from gain of function research at Wuhan has been well documented. This is clearly an engineered virus. But the link between funding and gain of function research at Wuhan is a little too tenuous to provide for anything other than a hat rack for a conspiracy theorist.

The Harvard and MIT brain research argument is not well supported and is pure speculation. This is all theory with no real support. His premises may be true, but the conclusions don't logically or necessarily follow.

The result is a lengthy and high level discussion of a virus invading a cell and causing a cytokine storm - all of which was known almost immediately by healthcare professionals - in an effort to lend some sort of scientific credibility to the self-reinforcing delusion that results in the author's conclusion that the virus was a plot to enable mass injection of a poison that will enable a certain few to control the brains of those injected.

Finally, with respect to the discussion of the vaccine, the author states, "They are “leaky” vaccines. This means they remove the evolutionary pressure on the virus to become less lethal."
So the author's principle problem with a mRNA vaccine is that without it, more people would die of the virus and the virus is therefore not incentivized to mutate into less lethal forms so that it can survive longer. One can see why he left this paragraph with a bare conclusion rather than fleshing out what this really means because it's clearly not a well thought out argument against the mRNA vaccine.

Similarly, when faced with critically low o2 saturation, intubation and ventilation is not murdering someone simply because the effect of doing so enhances disease. That's like saying jumping from the Twin Towers to prevent burning to death is suicide. The argument also ignores those who have survived after being on a ventilator, and who would have otherwise died of cerebral hypoxemia.

I did find some value in the discussion of treatment options as opposed to a straight up vaccine campaign. I would hope that treatment research is ongoing and I see no reason why this wouldn't happen concurrently. The argument that there isn't money in treatment doesn't hold water. There's always money in anything for which there is a need - even if it's generic.

aschen 09-28-2021 02:52 PM

I got about halfway through and felt like I needed a shower.

Steve Carlton 09-28-2021 02:55 PM

Good post, Mike. Do you by chance have some expertise in this field? Or are you a regular at the Holiday Inn Express, like me?

MikeSid 09-28-2021 03:58 PM

Strictly Holiday Inn.
But I haven't stayed there since they changed the sign. SmileWavy
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Steve Carlton 09-28-2021 04:12 PM

Got "natural" knowledge? Or something else?...

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Interesting story about that "Great Sign."

Pazuzu 09-28-2021 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 11469328)
Since that article is basically behind a paywall, can you please give us your login info so that we can read it? Kthanksbyi

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 11469416)
It’s not behind a pay wall.

Basically. BASICALLY. BASICALLY behind a paywall. I need to let them (a) feed my computer full of cookies and (b) fill my computer full of ads.

Therefore, it is BASICALLY a paywall, since I must give up something (freedom) to read the article.

So, again, please give me YOUR access so that I don't have to make a mess of MY computer.

Steve Carlton 09-28-2021 07:36 PM

You can just close the pop up window without accepting cookies. I think...

Enjoy the insanity!


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