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rfuerst911sc 10-20-2021 05:53 AM

Check out this bad boy GM engine
 
https://www.thedrive.com/news/42786/chevy-unveils-new-10-4-l-1004-hp-v8-crate-engine-its-most-powerful-ever

Sooner or later 10-20-2021 05:56 AM

I just made a post about that on another board. 1004 hp, naturally aspirated on 93 pump gas.

masraum 10-20-2021 06:03 AM

10 liter. That's a monster!

I just saw this on the R&T website <30 mins ago, but hadn't read the article

We should all pitch in and get one for Glenn to drop into his El Camino! :D ;)

I'm sure his tires, driveshaft, and transmission wouldn't mind.

GH85Carrera 10-20-2021 06:08 AM

That will be a tire smoking machine.

When I was looking for the crate engine I put in my El Camino after 300,000 miles on the original engine the list of engines that will fit was nearly endless. For "just a few hundred more" there was always a next step up in power and torque. I rode with a buddy that had a 600 HP engine in his Elky and it was just a tire smoking nearly undriveable in the rain monster. I went for the $1,700 delivered to my door brand new GM crate engine with the 2 year 24,000 mile warranty. I bit less HP than 1,000 HP. ;)

herr_oberst 10-20-2021 06:14 AM

I'm surprised by the port injection. I thought D/I was the new kid on the block.
(Speaking of block, an iron block is surprising, too.)

URY914 10-20-2021 06:21 AM

The power boat crowd will love this engine.

GH85Carrera 10-20-2021 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 11491908)
I'm surprised by the port injection. I thought D/I was the new kid on the block.
(Speaking of block, an iron block is surprising, too.)

I bet an aluminum block was going to cost double or triple the cost of a cast iron block. Just a guess, but it the old cast iron block is strong and easy.

herr_oberst 10-20-2021 06:33 AM

And the cost of warranty might factor into the equation.

(They were going to make it 1000 hp with the aluminum block, but decided to go with cast iron and add 4 more hp to compensate for the weight!)

rfuerst911sc 10-20-2021 06:34 AM

Perfect swap for a Miata 😁

masraum 10-20-2021 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 11491937)
Perfect swap for a Miata 😁

hahaha, LOL!

asphaltgambler 10-20-2021 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 11491908)
I'm surprised by the port injection. I thought D/I was the new kid on the block.
(Speaking of block, an iron block is surprising, too.)

DI is the current technology, but not with older engine designs. The Mark IV engine dates back to 1963

upsscott 10-20-2021 08:53 AM

I would have loved to have that in my old square body blazer.

Racerbvd 10-20-2021 09:37 AM

Oh, my 2500 Suburban would love it.

pwd72s 10-20-2021 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 11491902)
That will be a tire smoking machine.

When I was looking for the crate engine I put in my El Camino after 300,000 miles on the original engine the list of engines that will fit was nearly endless. For "just a few hundred more" there was always a next step up in power and torque. I rode with a buddy that had a 600 HP engine in his Elky and it was just a tire smoking nearly undriveable in the rain monster. I went for the $1,700 delivered to my door brand new GM crate engine with the 2 year 24,000 mile warranty. I bit less HP than 1,000 HP. ;)

There ya go being practical. ;) Actually, I agree. For real world driving in a car of around say 3500 pounds, 300 to 400 horsepower is perfectly adequate. But that doesn't get the car guy posting boards buzzing..

GH85Carrera 10-20-2021 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 11492194)
There ya go being practical. ;) Actually, I agree. For real world driving in a car of around say 3500 pounds, 300 to 400 horsepower is perfectly adequate. But that doesn't get the car guy posting boards buzzing..

Yea, several friends were puzzled by my choice of a base 350 to replace the 305 that was worn out. I simply never have cared about stop light racing, at all. I just wanted enough power to get on the interstate in a reasonable speed and to run down the highway in full lockup at 2,200 RPM at 70 to 75 MPH without having to come out of lockup for every little hill.

sammyg2 10-20-2021 10:33 AM

a friend of mine used to run a famous racing shop.
He ran a super comp dragster with an engine he built: 454 based iron block, single 4 bbl card, naturally aspirated on gasoline.
I asked him how much HP it made, he said it dyno'd at 1050 but it was fairly mild and would last for years without having to be opened up.
I have no idea how much it cost or how much HP they could get out of one that wasn't "mild".
It sure sounded good tho.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1634754255.jpg

GH85Carrera 10-20-2021 10:50 AM

Everyone should go see a top fuel dragster at least once. The sound and sight of a 7,000+ HP monster getting to 300 MPH in few seconds is something that can't be described, if needs to be experienced in person.

I don't care if someday an electric dragster can do 400 MPH in a 1,000 feet, without the sounds and sensation of million utility poles falling out of the sky and making your guts vibrate just needs to be seen in person.

herr_oberst 10-20-2021 10:57 AM

Hell, for that matter, go down to the end of the track and watch a Pro Mod go through the beams.

Gas powered, V8 BB with power adders. It's a rowdy machine.

It's scary to think how fast those shoeboxes are going and how close to the edge the driver has to be to control it.

I just checked. 5.64et, 260mph.

sheesh.

Tobra 10-20-2021 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 11491908)
I'm surprised by the port injection. I thought D/I was the new kid on the block.
(Speaking of block, an iron block is surprising, too.)

I think my old Super Beetle had something similar to port injection

herr_oberst 10-20-2021 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 11492304)
I think my old Super Beetle had something similar to port injection

Not a surprise.

sammyg2 10-20-2021 11:12 AM

Just to keep the hijack going (sorry), this is a repost but it gives a great feel for just how fast these cars are. This one is an alcohol dragster, slower than top fuel:

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this is a good helmet cam vid:

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herr_oberst 10-20-2021 11:19 AM

Re the TF helmet cam.
This is life.
Being successful at doing the thing means that preparing to do the thing takes a lot longer than actually doing the thing.
(so they tell me)

BB Chevy crate motor that makes over 1000 hp? Tell me more! Tell me more!

sammyg2 10-20-2021 11:24 AM

BTW top fuel dragsters have port and throttle injection and "semi" direct injection.
They have a series of injectors above the supercharger, below the supercharger, in the intake runners, and a series that shoots fuel directly behind the intake valves which could almost be considered direct injection as it squirts while the huge valves are open, essentially spraying directly into the cylinder.
Just not on the compression stroke like real direct injection.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1634757843.jpg

sammyg2 10-20-2021 11:41 AM

LOL, if anyone with a CNC mill wants to make some coin: Just make copies of these valve covers.
betcha the wanna-bes with stock chebby big blocks would be lining up to buy em.
Until the GM lawyers find out :)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1634758858.jpg

upsscott 10-20-2021 11:50 AM

The Tesla Plaid would smoke this. [emoji38]

sammyg2 10-20-2021 12:35 PM

The
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1634761958.jpg
does the quarter mile in 9.23 seconds.




A 1000 hp big block like this one in a car that has similar weight should do it in the low 8 second range for waaaay under $130,000 assuming you have the traction and it's well set-up.
For $130k I could build a 6 second car and have change left.

And you wouldn't have to plug it in or squat when you tinkle ;)

sammyg2 10-20-2021 12:40 PM

Another thing to ponder: this big block has a CR of 12 to 1 and can run reliably on 93 octane.

That means that with 118 octane racing fuel it could handle boost, say 8 or 9 psi from a turbo or supercharger, and make 1400 hp-ish.

Who wants to go first?

pavulon 10-20-2021 03:55 PM

It's interesting being a factory NA crate motor but 632" tall deck big blocks are not new and 1000 Hp isn't new anymore especially when a 4L TT Mercedes can be made to make the same power in a relatively docile street wagon that stops, turns and drives with luxury level comfort and reliability in a small package. A pressurized LS makes a lot more sense in every way unless mouth breathing and big bellys at car shows are your thing.

cabmandone 10-21-2021 03:03 AM

After looking at prices for adding power to my 3.2 :eek:, I'm thinking I'm gonna look into one of these to drop in, probably cost less. :D

Chocaholic 10-21-2021 04:03 AM

As Greta’s darling little head explodes!

masraum 10-21-2021 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 11492953)
As Greta’s darling little head explodes!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1634819037.JPG

Sadly, I've also never been able to experience a 911 at 8k rpm. Or maybe I should thank my lucky stars, no money shift.

flipper35 10-21-2021 08:48 AM

Speaking of EV vs ICE. GrumpyCat just ran a 6.99 at 200mph. It is currently the quickest Hellcat VIN on the planet. Modified of course, but still based on a production car.

My question is how much would it take to get a Tesla Model S to run those numbers?

GH85Carrera 10-21-2021 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11492966)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1634819037.JPG

Sadly, I've also never been able to experience a 911 at 8k rpm. Or maybe I should thank my lucky stars, no money shift.

You need a modern 911 GT3RS to get there. The new 911 GT3RS spins to 9 grand so 8K is just there for a split second on the way to redline.

masraum 10-21-2021 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 11493259)
You need a modern 911 GT3RS

FIFY (for me really).

Yes! Yes, I do.

Honestly, I'm fairly certain that I'd be pleased as punch with ANY 911 GT3 of any
year or description as long as it was in good working order.

Wow, they are up to 9k now. I think a few years back they were 8200 and then maybe 8500. That's impressive since when the S2k came out, everyone went bonkers over it's 9000 rpm redline.

cabmandone 10-21-2021 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 11493259)
You need a modern 911 GT3RS to get there. The new 911 GT3RS spins to 9 grand so 8K is just there for a split second on the way to redline.

Nah. Just do a first, second, first shift when you were at redline in second and you'll get there and more! And you'll create a lot of tire smoke too! Wanna know how I know?

1990C4S 10-21-2021 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 11493229)
My question is how much would it take to get a Tesla Model S to run those numbers?

That would be an enormous undertaking IMO. The factory plaid isn't anywhere close.

I think it's harder than modifying an ICE car because of all the proprietary equipment.

If I had to do it, I would yank all the Tesla drives and motors and look aftermarket.

pavulon 10-21-2021 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 11493229)
Speaking of EV vs ICE. GrumpyCat just ran a 6.99 at 200mph. It is currently the quickest Hellcat VIN on the planet. Modified of course, but still based on a production car.

My question is how much would it take to get a Tesla Model S to run those numbers?

How much? The factory Ford electric Cobra Jet makes 1400hp and runs 8's. If a factory-backed effort is over a second slower...LOTS.

https://www.motor1.com/news/503933/ford-mach-e-mustang-race/

Edit: check that...1500hp at the wheels

https://www.motor1.com/news/442400/electric-mustang-cobra-jet-quarter-mile/


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