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dad911 01-12-2022 12:06 PM

Batteries - Should be simple, never is.
 
Battery in my skid steer would not take a charge. Intestate.

Pulled it out, which was a royal PIA. Put charger on it again, zero current. I walk away to get a meter, come back, and it's charging.

Why would it not take a charge initially?

island911 01-12-2022 12:15 PM

Paging Aurel ...

I think that some oxide layer may have needed breaking down.

rusnak 01-12-2022 12:43 PM

Maybe put in a battery that isn't as vunerable to vibration/ breakage.

stevej37 01-12-2022 12:46 PM

I would try an Interstate battery next time. :D

masraum 01-12-2022 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11573667)
I would try an Interstate battery next time. :D

He's must be thinking about the other thread - http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/1110426-unfortunate-choice-executor.html

stevej37 01-12-2022 12:54 PM

^^^ I missed that one. I don't think I could ever be an executor.

aschen 01-12-2022 12:55 PM

Chargers in the last decade or so are all micro processor controlled with a bunch of safety nannies to protect you from yourself. If it is one of these models it may have had to ponder life for a while and decide if it trusts your intentions of good over evil.

If it is one of those lovely 0ld fangled transformers in a box types, just had to depassivate the plates a bit.

matthewb0051 01-12-2022 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11573667)
I would try an Interstate battery next time. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11573670)

That stuff is funny right there...

My Land Rover independent mechanic and I had a discussion re: batteries last months when my wife's Interstate battery crapped out for the second time in 2 years. Yes, one new battery for each year. At $200ish each, I'm not laughing.

Anyway, they sell Interstate and Continental batteries. He said that Interstate has been having issues and a lot of batteries dying prematurely in the last couple of years. It seems to be a trend these days.

stevej37 01-12-2022 01:11 PM

^^^ Have you ever tried Intestate batteries?

Aurel 01-12-2022 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 11573618)
Paging Aurel ...

I think that some oxide layer may have needed breaking down.

It could be that the electrodes were sulfated. Lead sulfate is insulating. Now, just because you could get the battery to charge doesn’t mean it will hold the charge…

matthewb0051 01-12-2022 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11573704)
^^^ Have you ever tried Intestate batteries?

IF this latest battery doesn't last maybe I will.

pwd72s 01-12-2022 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aurel (Post 11573709)
It could be that the electrodes were sulfated. Lead sulfate is insulating. Now, just because you could get the battery to charge doesn’t mean it will hold the charge…

Yep. I have one of these in my rollaway. NOT a load tester, it measures milliamps of resistance between the posts. First fully charge the battery, then test. You tell it the CCA rating of your battery. It gives you an actual CCA reading, tells you the %age of efficiency..whether the battery is good or bad. It's very possible for a battery to read 12V on a multimeter and still be bad. There are youtube "how to videos" on this unit..

https://www.harborfreight.com/digital-automotive-battery-analyzer-66892.html

billybek 01-12-2022 01:43 PM

My fancy electronic charger will give a bad battery code when trying to revive some flat batteries. If I use the old school Century charger on it first on the highest amp setting and after an hour or two switch to the fancy electronic one I seem to get good results and the batteries seem to hold a charge well.

red-beard 01-12-2022 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aschen (Post 11573678)
Chargers in the last decade or so are all micro processor controlled with a bunch of safety nannies to protect you from yourself. If it is one of these models it may have had to ponder life for a while and decide if it trusts your intentions of good over evil.

If it is one of those lovely 0ld fangled transformers in a box types, just had to depassivate the plates a bit.

This. If the reading is off, the microprocessor will not recognize the battery. I had to go to Tractor Supply Company to buy a "dumb" charger to restore some batteries. Once they each had about 10% charge, I was able to get them back on the regular charger.

This was a nominal 48V system with eight 215 AH batteries. Someone switched the system to inverter battery mode and left it that way for a couple of weeks with nothing charging it.

dad911 01-12-2022 04:12 PM

The 'computerized' fancy charger didn't think a battery was connected. The 40 YO sears charger is supposedly charging it.

Shaun @ Tru6 01-12-2022 06:20 PM

I guess I'm lucky to have my 35 year old Schumacher charger that still works fine.

Timely thread, I need to replace the battery in the Cayenne and apparently there's a new battery called an AGM. Supposed to last longer than lead acid. Anyone know anything about these?

MBAtarga 01-12-2022 06:31 PM

AGM batteries generally last longer than standard lead acid batteries. Because of their low self-discharge rate, AGM batteries also last longer than their flooded counterparts when not in use. A well-maintained AGM can last up to 7 years, while flooded batteries typically last around 3-5 years.Jul 6, 2021

pwd72s 01-12-2022 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 11574050)
I guess I'm lucky to have my 35 year old Schumacher charger that still works fine.

Timely thread, I need to replace the battery in the Cayenne and apparently there's a new battery called an AGM. Supposed to last longer than lead acid. Anyone know anything about these?

Absorbed Glass Matt...like used in optima batteries. Has been around for years. Totally sealed.

https://www.thedrive.com/cars-101/36405/what-is-an-agm-battery#:~:text=An%20AGM%20battery%20is%20a%2012-volt%20car%20battery,%28or%20Material%29.%20How%20 Does%20an%20AGM%20Battery%20Work%3F

look 171 01-12-2022 06:46 PM

If fancy charger isn't charging or throws code on your half dead battery, hook up another good battery to it along with the one that needs charging. The charger will recognize the good battery and starts charging them both.

No more Optima for me. What a POS. I have had good luck with Exide AGM battery on my 4 runner. It lasted 7 years so far but its seems to be getting weak. I am sure it is made by one of the large battery mfgs?

sc_rufctr 01-12-2022 07:21 PM

I stopped messing with car batteries years ago. In good faith I bought a yellow top Optima battery but it failed in less than 12 months and the manufacturer wouldn't honour the warranty because I had a high powered stereo in my car. :rolleyes:

So now I only use "standard" batteries and replace them as needed. You could try adding rejuvenation etc. but IME it's best just to bite the bullet and buy a new one.

I use this to test car batteries... If it fails the test it gets replaced.
- Search for "Solar B47" on Google.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1642047660.jpg

and Kent's excellent video on how to use one.

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