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hughc 01-14-2022 01:28 PM

Before you decide, remember he can't be un-boosted.

URY914 01-14-2022 01:47 PM

Not another COVID/vaccination thread. Please make it stop.

cantdrv55 01-14-2022 01:47 PM

So my wife spoke to my son’s pediatrician who said she’s had her two kids boosted already and have had no side effects, not even the usual mild flu symptom that accompanied the first two shots. The doc strongly recommends the booster for my kid since he has Down Syndrome and may be immune compromised due to that. I also reached out to the DS community on Facebook and the parents have overwhelming chosen to boost their kids. We’re all putting our trust on big pharma and the FDA.

Steve Carlton 01-14-2022 02:02 PM

Since your son was already vaccinated, I don't see how a booster would be very risky. I'm no expert, of course, but I think you were wise to check with your son's pediatrician. It's supposed to reduce the harmful effects of Omicron dramatically, like by a factor of 25-35. Did the doc recommend the same vaccine as before, or cross vaccinating?

Arizona_928 01-14-2022 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantdrv55 (Post 11576368)
We’re all putting our trust on big pharma and the FDA.

If i told you to jump off a bridge. Would you do it?


I love that last statement. Emergency approval. Doesn't work on Omicron. Causes real irreversible side effects including coffin. Yet facebook and some other weirdos on the internet said do it and trust big pharma and fda/cdc....


Are you worried of being publicly shamed, or just don't have the desire to research the whole picture?

Tishabet 01-14-2022 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantdrv55 (Post 11576368)
So my wife spoke to my son’s pediatrician who said she’s had her two kids boosted already and have had no side effects, not even the usual mild flu symptom that accompanied the first two shots. The doc strongly recommends the booster for my kid since he has Down Syndrome and may be immune compromised due to that. I also reached out to the DS community on Facebook and the parents have overwhelming chosen to boost their kids. We’re all putting our trust on big pharma and the FDA.

I have an adult sibling with Down Syndrome, I'm sure you are already aware but for adults with DS the mortality rate of Covid is way higher than in the rest of the population. I don't know of any similar stats specific to kids with DS but would assume that additional caution is advised. Glad you spoke with an actual MD, the rest of us are just buffoons on the internet :)

mjohnson 01-14-2022 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IROC (Post 11575971)
I don't understand your question. This is actual data from a very controlled population of about 6000 individuals. Zero opinion - just facts. That's how we roll here.

You! With your facts! Sure, man... that's what they want you say, man...

Carry on, fellow DOEer, and hopefully we'll make it to the other side. Strange here that they're pushing butt-in-chair this week. I'm more than happy at home, in my bathrobe.

MJ (in los alamos)

Steve Carlton 01-14-2022 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arizona_928 (Post 11576394)
If i told you to jump off a bridge. Would you do it?


I love that last statement. Emergency approval. Doesn't work on Omicron. Causes real irreversible side effects including coffin. Yet facebook and some other weirdos on the internet said do it and trust big pharma and fda/cdc....


Are you worried of being publicly shamed, or just don't have the desire to research the whole picture?

Is there some reason you need to be so harsh in OT? Damn.

Sooner or later 01-14-2022 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Carlton (Post 11576431)
Is there some reason you need to be so harsh in OT? Damn.

It was completely uncalled for.

javadog 01-14-2022 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantdrv55 (Post 11576368)
So my wife spoke to my son’s pediatrician who said she’s had her two kids boosted already and have had no side effects, not even the usual mild flu symptom that accompanied the first two shots. The doc strongly recommends the booster for my kid since he has Down Syndrome and may be immune compromised due to that. I also reached out to the DS community on Facebook and the parents have overwhelming chosen to boost their kids. We’re all putting our trust on big pharma and the FDA.

Has he had any blood work done recently, to assess the health of his immune system?

mdj930 01-14-2022 03:22 PM

01/12/2022
5-18 years old
582 deaths total (supposedly from COVID)
From: 01/04/2020
To: 01/08/2022
Is your kid sickly? If not what are you worried about?
You people need to quit being so afraid.
Mike

Steve Carlton 01-14-2022 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdj930 (Post 11576460)
01/12/2022
5-18 years old
582 deaths total (supposedly from COVID)
From: 01/04/2020
To: 01/08/2022
Is your kid sickly? If not what are you worried about?
You people need to quit being so afraid.
Mike

Read above.

A930Rocket 01-14-2022 03:39 PM

I wish I could give advice, but that’s up to you.

Working outside, but going in and out of houses where it’s hot cold hot cold hot cold, sometimes I don’t know if I’ve got a cold, flu or Covid. Lately I’ve had a runny nose and headaches but it seems par for the course.

Edit: I’ve had the shots, but not the booster.

mdj930 01-14-2022 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Carlton (Post 11576471)
Read above.

Thanks for pointing that out. I was responding to his original post. Maybe all the information to start?
If it were me I would start with javadog's advice.
Mike

john70t 01-14-2022 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Carlton (Post 11576471)
Read above.

Read about kids having heart problems from the vaxx.
-Or professional soccer/football players dying on the field.
-Or professional pilots. (6 last year to over 100 the next)

Read about graphene oxide.

Your only question should be "Do I love my child".

Children are always the most naturally-resistant.
Babies bounce. There is a reason AIDS doesn't affect those now who's ancestors survived the plague.

My elderly uncle was fighting-fit when I visited him this last Christmas.
Old man scared the piss out of me when he got mad.
If there was ever a test case he is it,
Stubborn old bastard beat death to death in the ring and made it afraid to come back.
Cancer a few decades ago, near kidney failure several times, severe medication allergies.
Fker beat it all.

Last Christmas his legs had returned from a medication problem from lobster-red swollen to smooth and pink.
Every health check-mark was good until he got the booster.

He got the vaxx several days after I saw him last.
In one week he went from recovered and agile and healthy, to incapacitated.
He is now in ER today.
Just spent the day in the hospital and driving.
I spent the last two days cleaning bloody fecal material off every part of his house.
(be glad to share pics if you are wondering what that looks like and involves)

Something tore open his organs and made him bleed profusely internally.
Read about graphene oxide.

drcoastline 01-15-2022 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantdrv55 (Post 11576368)
So my wife spoke to my son’s pediatrician who said she’s had her two kids boosted already and have had no side effects, not even the usual mild flu symptom that accompanied the first two shots. The doc strongly recommends the booster for my kid since he has Down Syndrome and may be immune compromised due to that. I also reached out to the DS community on Facebook and the parents have overwhelming chosen to boost their kids. We’re all putting our trust on big pharma and the FDA.

One person's reaction is not necessarily another person's reaction.

"may be immune compromised", but doesn't know? I would find out if he is immune compromised first. If he is compromised the booster may be the trigger. Know if he is compromised don't guess, make an informed decision.

We’re all putting our trust on big pharma and the FDA., yeah well not me. I think there is enough evidence Covid aside that they don't give a flyin Fuk about you, me or your son. It's about the $$$.

Geronimo '74 01-15-2022 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jims5543 (Post 11575913)
If my kid were obese, and deficient in vitamin D and zinc, I would get him vaxxed.

And put them on a diet.
Maybe throw in some vit D and zinc supplements for good measure.

drcoastline 01-15-2022 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jims5543 (Post 11575913)
If my kid were obese, and deficient in vitamin D and zinc, I would get him vaxxed.

How about getting your kid off the couch and outside for some vitamin D and exercise and eating properly?

vash 01-15-2022 03:35 AM

I don’t get it.

You already cleared the hurdles of the first two shots. Mental and physical hurdles. What’s the hang up on #3?

Seahawk 01-15-2022 04:56 AM

Lets keep this civil.

Best.

cantdrv55 01-15-2022 06:10 AM

I’ve been here long enough to know not to post if I’m too sensitive for ridicule

Seahawk 01-15-2022 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantdrv55 (Post 11576950)
I’ve been here long enough to know not to post if I’m too sensitive for ridicule

Nothing to do with you at all...I thought it was a very interesting question, one I really hadn't noodled on because my children are grown.

They both got blood work done, btw.

Geronimo 01-15-2022 09:28 AM

My daughter 13, not vax'd just tested positive, had a headache 1 day and is now fine, the up side she is now better protected than my wife and I who are both vax'd. I hope the whole family gets it so we are better protected.

Omicron is the best thing to happen to covid, it's the vax mandate we are ALL going to get. If you are remotely healthy breath deep and enjoy your antibodies.

javadog 01-15-2022 09:39 AM

He asked a serious question, so he should get a serious answer, not just the usual noise. I guess some people didn’t read everything he had to say.

Here’s my take on it. I think the number one factor for most people is the health of their immune system. There are many facets to that, one marker that I am most concerned about is my vitamin D level. I think of you have a vitamin D level above 50 ng/mL, you’re likely going to do just fine. You’re going to have to supplement your diet to a greater extent that is normally recommended to get to that level but vitamin D is not very toxic. There are vitamins that are helpful with vitamin D absorption and creation, namely vitamin K. There are many steps to creating the vitamin D that we use, in the liver and in the kidneys. So, it’s not something that changes quickly, unfortunately.

Another nutrient that I make a point of getting plenty of is zinc. For it to do any good, you have to pair it with an ionophore, such as quercetin, ivermectin, HCQ etc. Zinc has trouble crossing the cell walls into the cells, where the virus replicates, the ionophores help that. I think that if you have a good immune system, you won’t really have any problems. So the first step I would take is to get a blood test done. Keep in mind some of the levels that are considered normal need to be higher for dealing with Covid.

I think there is also a genetic component. I think there are certain genes that tend to make a Covid prognosis worse for an individual. Nothing you can do about that. I think they are beginning to identify these genes, so perhaps a person could get tested to see if they have them, to at least know where they stand. I don’t know how far along that path we are, I haven’t looked into it at all.

I don’t know enough about down syndrome to know if kids have the same problems as adults, and if those are genetic or lifestyle/diet-based.

Kids in that age range typically don’t have much trouble with Covid. The statistical numbers for a 14 year old are incredibly good, although I don’t know if a kid with down syndrome it is different in that regard.

Delta and Omicron are the two variants that I think are out there right now in any sizable numbers and I think most of the cases are Omicron. Both are less problematic than the original, especially Omicron. Omicron has much less ability (by a factor of 10) to get down into the lungs where the real problems are caused. So that’s a positive factor.

As for the vaccines, I think that the complications are far greater than people realize, for two reasons. One, few get reported. One in 10, one in 100? Who knows? The other thing is that one of the complications that I think will be very common is going to go largely undiagnosed in most people. It’s the clotting problem, but not the one that is significant enough to show up in a radiograph, or cause a stroke. I’m talking about clotting in the very small capillaries, those that are too small to see on imaging. That’s at the root of some of these other problems that you hear about, like myocarditis. You can test for it with a D-dimer test. If I were vaccinated, I would be getting one of those tests as a baseline to understand where I was. I think the negative affects from the vaccine are cumulative, so the more doses, the worse things may get.

Bottom line, before I would suggest a booster shot, I would have some testing done to see where you are right now with his health and then I would ask if there was anything related to down syndrome that might be a factor, apart from the immune system health, which is largely a function of diet.

My personal strategy has been to focus on my immune system health, and limit my exposure. I have not been vaccinated. So far, so good.


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