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Baz 02-05-2022 06:56 AM

One owner '04 Volvo V70R 6-Speed wagon w/only 52K miles on B.A.T. - wow!
 
Located in Traverse City, Michigan.

7 day auction just started today.

Sitting at $2,600 right now - but I predict this baby is going to go for a LOT before this one ends....and rightly so!

BaT Essentials

Lot #65603
Seller: mlundmark
Location: Traverse City, Michigan 49686
Chassis: YV1SJ52Y342446606
52k Miles
Turbocharged 2.5-Liter Inline-Five
Six-Speed Manual Transmission
All-Wheel Drive
Passion Red Paint
Light Beige Gobi Leather Upholstery
17" Pegasus Alloy Wheels
Four-C Electronically-Adjustable Suspension
Bi-Xenon Headlights
Fog Lights
Glass Sunroof
Dual-Zone Automatic Climate Control
Power-Adjustable Heated Front Seats
Recent Service Records
Accident-Free Carfax Report

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2004-volvo-v70r-44/

pavulon 02-05-2022 07:14 AM

Great cars but the underside image tells the story...it's been road brined which kills a lot of interest.

LEAKYSEALS951 02-05-2022 07:38 AM

Nice.

That exhaust has a bit of life in it, but is going to need the exhaust and cat replaced when it goes. It flat out rotted the heat shield away! I bet the engine is in better shape, as those cars have the underside panel to protect the engine bay from the bottom. My 2005 looks about the same.

With all that suspension work, it must have hit some potholes in it's life.

The side bolsters look okay, considering how big they are, surprised its doing so well.
Rear seats are folding child booster seats, another nice bonus to justify to wife as a 'family' car. :D

DonDavis 02-05-2022 07:53 AM

Hard no.

Good luck maintaining the suspension bushings, struts, hubs, brakes, hoses, etc.

That's 52k fairly hard miles.

I reckon I'm spoiled here in the southwest. I'd rather deal with a fried interior than rusty undercarriage.

Then there's the color. Nope.

rfuerst911sc 02-05-2022 07:54 AM

It's already at 9k

Baz 02-05-2022 11:15 AM

Couple comments from the auction FWIW.....

The seller would certainly benefit from better photos of the underside and close ups of the driver’s seat bolster as well as the cosmetic items mentioned in the write-up. However, saying the “muffler is shot” and that there is “no undercoating protection” is inaccurate. The rust on the muffler is on the outer protective shell is typical. The muffler on my ’05 S60R has looked like that for at least eight years and still doesn’t leak after living in New England for 17 years. These cars are thoroughly rust-proofed at the factory and, based on my experience with long term ownership of this generation Volvo by myself, friends, family and clients, are virtually immune from serious rust damage. This will be a great car for whoever is fortunate enough to be the winning bidder. GLWTA

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There will be a tendency to over-discount this rig due to the winters—that will be a mistake and a huge benefit to the buyer. I hope the reserve is set in favor of the low-miles, single-owner sleeper and that the seller holds firm.

DonDavis 02-05-2022 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz (Post 11598735)
...These cars are thoroughly rust-proofed at the factory and, based on my experience with long term ownership of this generation Volvo by myself, friends, family and clients, are virtually immune from serious rust damage. This will be a great car for whoever is fortunate enough to be the winning bidder. GLWTA...

Interesting. I have not heard that about Volvos.

Good to know....but it's still red.:p

Bob Kontak 02-05-2022 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonDavis (Post 11598845)
Interesting. I have not heard that about Volvos.

I suspect it's not a "hot" topic in Mesa, AZ.

Volvo/BMW/VW are pretty resilient in the midwest rust belt. (Is there another rust belt?)

LEAKYSEALS951 02-05-2022 02:32 PM

The newer bodies are incredibly rust resilient. There is so much plastic cladding, much is unexposed. Body metal that is exposed resist rust well. Exposed thingees with bolts, not so much. This car has some exposed areas, such as the FEM (fuel electronic module) up underneath, that, if it leaks, can cause trouble.

The exhaust on mine is similar. I've already rewelded the mounts, but it's going to punch through the my cat and rear exhaust soon. Add it too my list of things to do.

I'd be more concerned about the hits it's taken. Something was loose, so sounds like all the front joints got replaced. Problem is, the rear joints got hit too, but they aren't so easy to fix, so the rear ends just get soggier and soggier. Add that to the bevel gear/haldex issues, and some upkeep is in the works. Not bad- just takes time and energy.

If people are still collecting cars in the future, this will be a hot item, a P2 manual R wagon. It might even be on the road after most of us are gone. It will eventually be volvo equivalent of 'the one that got away'- even if it is red! :D

pavulon 02-05-2022 03:08 PM

By now, effectively everyone knows that BAT has a well-earned reputation for bringing the most money for nearly all the listings. I wouldn't want to pay top money for a car that has been salt driven but maybe others see it differently.

Perhaps because of the sheer number of auctions they are running, BAT seems to have a growing number of non-paying bidders leading to repeat auctions. Anyone else notice this or have the inside scoop on what (if anything) is going on there?

speeder 02-05-2022 03:33 PM

Other than the detail job this car got before the photos were taken, this is not even a remotely clean car. Beat up Midwestern Volvo. No thanks.

slow&rusty 02-06-2022 04:21 AM

Imagine that car only has 52k and the muffler and rear control arms are full of rust.

I used to live in the northeast - the snow and salt devoured my cars whole, that is something I never want to experience again. The plus side is it gave me an appreciation on places I lived since moving away.

pavulon 02-06-2022 04:34 AM

This. Unless you have lived and paid attention to the situation, it's difficult to appreciate the damage salted and brined roads inflicts upon steel. Aluminum suffers slower but automotive steel stands little to no chance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by slow&rusty (Post 11599190)
Imagine that car only has 52k and the muffler and rear control arms are full of rust.

I used to live in the northeast - the snow and salt devoured my cars whole, that is something I never want to experience again. The plus side is it gave me an appreciation on places I lived since moving away.


Nickshu 02-06-2022 04:56 AM

I saw that yesterday. Does rust underneath and the driver's seat wear seems more than you would see on a 52K car to you? Seems to me. Maybe it sat outside.

Bob Kontak 02-06-2022 05:24 AM

When you live deep in the rust belt and fiddle with cars daily you gain an appreciation for what "devoured by rust" represents. I have had pickup frames crack when I lifted them and the feet of the lift arms on some unibody cars just reform the bottom of the car at the lift points.

I do agree the wear on the seat bolster seems more than 52k worth of a fat rear-end rubbing on it but the observed corrosion does not bother me one bit. Pebble Beach worthy? No. Would I be proud to own it? Yes.

Side comment. I sure do run across a lot of S60's that have sludging and fuel delivery issues with the same engine.

Somebody said that Ford designed those engines. Anybody know for sure?

rfuerst911sc 02-06-2022 08:24 AM

Now at 18k with 6 days to go .

Baz 02-06-2022 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 11599225)
-snip-
the observed corrosion does not bother me one bit. Pebble Beach worthy? No. Would I be proud to own it? Yes.
-snip-

Totally agree, Bob. From what I see, this would be a hell of an acquisition for a true enthusiast!


Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 11599393)
Now at 18k with 6 days to go .

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1644171737.jpg

:p

Baz 02-06-2022 09:25 AM

Note from the seller....pretty cool.......

Quote:

This is my father’s car and he loves it, yet he is almost 90 years old and cannot drive. It breaks his heart to sell the car but he would rather have someone enjoy it than have it sit in his garage. He has always loved cars and over the years he has had some really fun ones. He was a career military man. A Navy Frogman and then a Navy pilot for many years. He flew sorties during the Bay of Pigs. He is part of a great generation! I hope whoever buys this car will love it as much as he did.

Baz 02-08-2022 04:30 PM

4 days left.

Currently at $18K!

Baz 02-08-2022 04:33 PM

Another comment:

Quote:

I drove this car last fall after the owners had it in the shop to have anything taken care of that was in need. It was freshly detailed and beautiful.
I believe that the photos accurately show to my knowledge all flaws. I did not go over it with a fine tooth comb because I decided that financially it just was not a good time for me. I will likely forever kick myself… It does have some wear, but not much. It’s been loved, and used, but not much. Best of all it’s been cared for.
When I drove it, the feel was that of a new car. Tight, responsive, strong and a notable absence of any squeaks or rattles.
I own an ‘04 V70R auto in black with atacama. I know these cars, love them, and could really sense the difference.
True that it has lived it’s life -all seasons in northern Michigan. One of the reasons I own 3 Volvo’s from the 2000’s is that they just don’t rust. The undercarriage will show it, but that’s all. I feel confident that the body and full construction of this car are better off than my ‘07 XC70 (year ‘round use) which is still rust free.
I live in Traverse City as well and know the seller. I would have no hesitation. So for anyone wondering because of the “sight unseen “ scenario of an auction; if I had more free $ this would be in my garage right now, waiting for spring and not on BaT. Best of luck bidders!

pavulon 02-08-2022 05:19 PM

There are a fair number of pretty great wagons that have been made over the years. A sadistic part of me would love an Allroad 4.2 but their tendency to be winter beaters, air suspension issues and cam chain tensioner location keep me from searching in earnest. I'm really wanting the used car bubble to burst and W213 AMG E63S wagon prices to fall.

Adrian Thompson 02-09-2022 05:17 AM

Those complaining about rust. I guarantee it's not as bad as people are thinking. We have three Volvo's, an 07 S60 at 110K miles, and 08 C30 with 120k miles and a 15 V60 with 90K miles. All of them have seen every winter in Michigan with the V60 having spent it's first four years in Buffalo New York. Volvo know their **** when speccing corrosion resistance on both the body and fasteners. I've never had an issue getting parts of, including having changed a couple of suspension arms due to worn bushings. Note, the Focus and Mazda 3 are both on the same basic platform as the C30, and the non Volvo versions rust like any other car. Volvo are good at not rusting.

The current price though with three days to go. WOW:eek:

DonDavis 02-12-2022 06:26 AM

Hmm, slush box, but the interior would help me forget the exterior is (blech) red.

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/d/phoenix-volvo-v70r-awd-turbo-wagon/7444751574.html

Same year, 5x the miles tho, :eek:. But only half the current bid of the BAT one.

Baz 02-12-2022 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonDavis (Post 11605710)
Hmm, slush box, but the interior would help me forget the exterior is (blech) red.

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/d/phoenix-volvo-v70r-awd-turbo-wagon/7444751574.html

Same year, 5x the miles tho, :eek:. But only half the current bid of the BAT one.

Yeah but........


.......it's an AUTOMATIC transmission! :rolleyes::(

DonDavis 02-12-2022 06:42 AM

Ha ha ha, right?! :D

pavulon 02-12-2022 06:57 AM

This sibling didn't get the same "not prone to rust" memo some fellas are reading. Volvos may fare better than some others but salt/H2O + steel = nothing good.

https://youtu.be/Sl5L2LsAlj8

If I'm going to pay BAT money to then go through the trouble and expense of shipping, fundamentals such as body corrosion aren't negotiable. There are really nice V70 R examples out there which have not been brined.

https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=76323

Baz 02-12-2022 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 11605747)
This sibling didn't get the same "not prone to rust" memo some fellas are reading. Volvos may fare better than some others but salt/H2O + steel = nothing good.

https://youtu.be/Sl5L2LsAlj8

If I'm going to pay BAT money to then go through the trouble and expense of shipping, fundamentals such as body corrosion aren't negotiable. There are really nice V70 R examples out there which have not been brined.

https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=76323

Not disagreeing but.......will wait for you to post any classified or auction with one for us to review.

Those that I have posted have ALL been manual transmission wagons (except for that one 2 door GT) - so you must start there.

Go.......;)

DonDavis 02-12-2022 07:05 AM

Even with the automatic, I'd rather have the high mileage one without Mi corrosion rather than deal with corrosion we all know it has.

Sure, it may not be as bad as some think, but I'm sure it worse than others believe.

pavulon 02-12-2022 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 11598858)
I suspect it's not a "hot" topic in Mesa, AZ.

Volvo/BMW/VW are pretty resilient in the midwest rust belt. (Is there another rust belt?)

Apparently, the UK.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr (Post 11605263)
Not an ignorant question in the slightest,

Most of the UK doesn't get enough snow for just ploughing but we do get frosty nights with wet weather so the roads are frequently gritted with a sand/salt mix :mad:

My truck when I bought it :cool:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1644623569.jpg

Same truck after 7 UK winters :eek: :(

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1644623681.jpg


pavulon 02-12-2022 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz (Post 11605753)
Not disagreeing but.......will wait for you to post any classified or auction with one for us to review.

Those that I have posted have ALL been manual transmission wagons (except for that one 2 door GT) - so you must start there.

Go.......;)

Last year, one new website, none red, one near you:

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9XbPZL6p/2006-volvo-v70r

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9abNAPnD/2005-volvo-v70r

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9AYgpORz/2005-volvo-v70r

Baz 02-12-2022 07:52 AM

OK thanks - those are all nice examples!

Brought a good price too....

'06 w/147K miles for $14,949

'05 w/151.3K miles for $13,000

'05 w/138K miles for $17,000

Never knew about that website - nice!

Macroni 02-12-2022 05:38 PM

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2006-volvo-v70r-33/

Another

dennis in se pa 02-13-2022 04:39 AM

Back in those days a turbo was a point of failure. They seem to have worked out the bugs by now.

pavulon 02-13-2022 04:45 PM

Synthetic oils and water cooled turbos helped lots.

Baz 02-14-2022 07:17 AM

Sold For $26,000 On 2/12/22

pmax 02-14-2022 10:20 AM

We’re domed.

Baz 02-14-2022 03:55 PM

Tell you what....people are putting their Volvos on B.A.T. like there's no tomorrow right now.

There's another nice one up right now ( see Macroni's post & link above) I'll post a thread on later.....really nice....as in no rust or corrosion-nice.....

pavulon 05-18-2022 05:08 PM

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2007-volvo-v70r-12/

Tobra 05-18-2022 05:27 PM

Baz, the car in the OP had rusty suspension arms. No way in hell that is a $26,000 vehicle


BAT must bring out the suckers

Joe Bob 05-18-2022 10:11 PM

While living on the mesa in Santa Barbara, I bought one for the ex....she didn't wanna drive the Suburban no mas. The cool car among the soccer moms was the sporty Vulva.....

I told her after driving up the hill from the city in the valley to idle the engine the drive for a few minutes to cool the oil in the turbo.....also when going down to the city DOWNFOOKING shift. Went thru two turbos, and three sets of brakes. Stoopid twit. Oh yeah the front end bushings are crap......most problematic vehicle I ever owned. Got rid of the Vulva and the blonde ricky tick.

What a POS. It had 50K on it and she drove it like bus.....lugging and not shifting and riding the brakes down the hill sometimes three times a day.....I hated that POS.

RUNAWAY!!!!


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