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Crowbob 02-20-2022 07:17 PM

He should be fired!
 
Juwan Howard, Michigan B-Ball head coach:

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2022/02/20/michigan-basketball-game-wisconsin-johnny-davis/6871075001/

Crowbob 02-20-2022 07:20 PM

Oops. No reason this is in PARF. Well there is one reason. Me mess up.

red 928 02-20-2022 11:30 PM

I expect he will only get a slap
on the wrist
but if he were white cancelled 4ever

flatbutt 02-21-2022 10:22 AM

Try that sheet with Rutgers and it'll get real ugly.

Steve Carlton 02-21-2022 10:43 AM

I'm thinking a quality time out.

Z-man 02-21-2022 08:35 PM

Moving to OT.

upsscott 02-21-2022 08:46 PM

Yeah, Bobby Knight never did anything like that.

upsscott 02-21-2022 08:46 PM

Oh wait, he slapped one of his own players.

gregpark 02-21-2022 08:57 PM

He's suspended for the rest of the season

Crowbob 02-22-2022 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregpark (Post 11614211)
He's suspended for the rest of the season

He suspended for the rest of the regular season. If blew and yellow get into post season play, he’s still there.

I can actually see someone ‘losing it’ and impulsively smacking somebody in the heat of an argument.

This is not what happened, though. The guy pushed and shoved his way toward the guy then he smacked him when he was in range.

Then afterwards he claimed to have been defending himself, which he seemed to back away from after seeing the video.

Great role model for, you know, his community.

Bob Kontak 02-22-2022 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 11614289)
I can actually see someone ‘losing it’ and impulsively smacking somebody in the heat of an argument.

Does a punch to the throat even count as bad conduct if you are upset?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1645534707.jpg

Let's see. Subject coach in Michigan. Bobby Knight in Indiana. Woody Hayes in Ohio. Great Lakes water, I say.

upsscott 02-22-2022 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 11614289)
He suspended for the rest of the regular season. If blew and yellow get into post season play, he’s still there.

I can actually see someone ‘losing it’ and impulsively smacking somebody in the heat of an argument.

This is not what happened, though. The guy pushed and shoved his way toward the guy then he smacked him when he was in range.

Then afterwards he claimed to have been defending himself, which he seemed to back away from after seeing the video.

Great role model for, you know, his community.


What, you know, community are you talking about? Truth is Howard was going to walk right past and not say a word in the stupid shake hands line that shouldn’t even be there anyway. The other head coach grabbed him and insisted on hashing out their differences over the timeout that he called, which wasn’t needed. Howard was wrong to put his hands on the other coach and a suspension is warranted but I’m sure there were crazy words flying around from both sides. He should not in any way be fired. That is ridiculous

jcommin 02-22-2022 05:53 AM

I agree with the suspension.

tdw28210 02-22-2022 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 11614349)
Does a punch to the throat even count as bad conduct if you are upset?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1645534707.jpg

Let's see. Subject coach in Michigan. Bobby Knight in Indiana. Woody Hayes in Ohio. Great Lakes water, I say.

LOL. Woody Hayes. I barely remember that making the sports news in an era before ESPN. That punch on a Clemson player who intercepted a pass was the final straw for (the 1-3 lifetime vs Clemson) Ohio State.

Crowbob 02-22-2022 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upsscott (Post 11614373)
What, you know, community are you talking about? Truth is Howard was going to walk right past and not say a word in the stupid shake hands line that shouldn’t even be there anyway. The other head coach grabbed him and insisted on hashing out their differences over the timeout that he called, which wasn’t needed. Howard was wrong to put his hands on the other coach and a suspension is warranted but I’m sure there were crazy words flying around from both sides. He should not in any way be fired. That is ridiculous

Howard should be fired. If the other ******* put his hand on Howard, Howard should have kept right on walking. Then made a formal complaint, especially if he actually felt threatened as he alleged in the post-game news conference.

Howard actually fought his way into the scrum, out of control, undisciplined, angry and extremely unsportsmanlike. If that's what people want in a top tier collegiate head coach, fine. But then he whacked a guy right upside the head. This, to me, is unacceptable for a head coach. The basketball community needs role models, not impulsive, violent thugs.

pavulon 02-22-2022 07:11 AM

Agree. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 11614414)
Howard should be fired. If the other ******* put his hand on Howard, Howard should have kept right on walking. Then made a formal complaint, especially if he actually felt threatened as he alleged in the post-game news conference.

Howard actually fought his way into the scrum, out of control, undisciplined, angry and extremely unsportsmanlike. If that's what people want in a top tier collegiate head coach, fine. But then he whacked a guy right upside the head. This, to me, is unacceptable for a head coach. The basketball community needs role models, not impulsive, violent thugs.


GH85Carrera 02-22-2022 07:25 AM

Yep, fire him. The coach is supposed to be THE leader, and lead by example. There is no reason whatsoever to throw punches at the other coach. Even if the other team just beat you by 50 points and told jokes about how fat his mother was.

He needs to be banned from future coaching at any level. Especially for kids.

upsscott 02-22-2022 07:48 AM

The bar has been set by previous coaches as noted above. Howard is a smart man and I’m sure he’ll learn from this. A lengthy suspension is warranted here, losing his job is not. It takes two to tango and the assistant coach who was mouthing off and fighting his way to get at Howard deserves serious punishment as well. The only reason he couldn’t get at Howard is the fact that he’s not 6’10” like Howard.

Gretch 02-22-2022 01:21 PM

should be arrested and charged with assault and battery, and fired.

Screw these low impulse control, mutts.....

Crowbob 02-22-2022 01:28 PM

I actually do agree somewhat, Scott. The bar is way too low for this kind of behavior. There would, however, be severe blow-back from the usual angles had they fired Howard. Which is exactly why they won't.

As for the other guy, Howard swung first. I understand your thinking but this was not two dumbazzes
fighting in the mall downtown. Howard should have kept on walking. Instead, he did his best to engage and then escalate and finally striking.

Howard should be fired. The other guy should be asked to submit his resignation. Neither should be coaching college basketball.

Sarc 02-22-2022 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 11614289)
He suspended for the rest of the regular season. If blew and yellow get into post season play, he’s still there.

They’re likely headed to the NIT, so it’s all a bit moot.
I seem to recall Howard and Gard had some serious words courtside last year that resulted in another issued apology from Howard, so it appears that there is bad blood between them for whatever reason.

If Howard was furious about the late game time outs, he seems to forget that he implemented the same timeout strategy on a recent road win at Indiana.

In the end, I think he just can’t control his frustration that UM’s performance this year has failed to live up to the media’s pre-season hype. As an Illini fan, I’m obviously not losing any sleep over the team’s record, but I hope for the sake of the young men on the team, their leader can overcome his personal challenges.

Crowbob 02-22-2022 02:11 PM

Well said.

upsscott 02-22-2022 04:34 PM

I think it’s terrible behavior by all involved. I don’t know the history between these two head coaches so I’ll stop acting like I do. I just think I’ve seen worse is all. Bobby Knight is the one who comes to mind.

Crowbob 02-22-2022 05:01 PM

Did Bobby Knight ever smack the other team's coach?

upsscott 02-22-2022 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 11615120)
Did Bobby Knight ever smack the other team's coach?


No, he smacked one of his players. Much worse in my opinion.

Crowbob 02-22-2022 06:22 PM

Fair enough.

911boost 02-22-2022 07:23 PM

I will now be cheering against that coach at every turn.

What an asshat.

red 928 02-22-2022 11:54 PM

the suspension is
for 5 games
12 days

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Sarc 02-23-2022 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 11615120)
Did Bobby Knight ever smack the other team's coach?

I think it's safe to say that Bobby Knight (or any of those old school era football coaches meant to serve as a comparison/precedent to Juwan Howard's actions) would not be employed if they conducted themselves that way in this present era. Likewise, Howard's altercation would be a blip on the headlines had it occurred "back in the day". Not a fair comparison for his sake, but look at the criticism Izzo has been receiving for coaching like....Izzo. Everything and everyone is under the microscope these days.

gregpark 02-23-2022 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red 928 (Post 11615330)
the suspension is
for 5 games
12 days

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1645602848.jpg

I can't help but wonder. What if it was the white coach that reached over to smack the black coach? same penalty? would the offender be fired and never coach again?

upsscott 02-23-2022 10:43 AM

He should be fired!
 
I don’t think it would be getting the same kind of press. It would have been chalked up to men being men in the heat of the battle.

Crowbob 02-23-2022 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upsscott (Post 11615746)
I don’t think it would be getting the same kind of press. It would have been chalked up to men being men in the heat of the battle.

Are you kidding?

gregpark 02-23-2022 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upsscott (Post 11615746)
I don’t think it would be getting the same kind of press. It would have been chalked up to men being men in the heat of the battle.

I have severe doubts of that. These days the race card is played verbalized or not.

911boost 02-23-2022 12:20 PM

Yeah, it would be getting waaaaaaay more press and the white coach would be cancelled immediately.

upsscott 02-23-2022 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 11615759)
Are you kidding?


Absolutely not kidding.

red 928 02-23-2022 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upsscott (Post 11615746)
I don’t think it would be getting the same kind of press. It would have been chalked up to men being men in the heat of the battle.

the exact opposite is true
a 10-year-old e-mail can cost a white coach his career

upsscott 02-23-2022 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red 928 (Post 11616118)
the exact opposite is true
a 10-year-old e-mail can cost a white coach his career


It was emails(plural) and they were pretty disgusting in nature.

911boost 02-23-2022 07:15 PM

So was slapping another coach.

upsscott 02-23-2022 07:30 PM

I agree although physical disputes happen in sports. Referring to someone as the N word doesn’t.

Baizuo Pride! 02-24-2022 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upsscott (Post 11616324)
I agree although physical disputes happen in sports. Referring to someone as the N word doesn’t.

Since when?


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