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Scott Douglas 08-10-2022 02:21 PM

Sooo our a/c just quit...
 
...working and it's 94* outside and 85* inside.
There's a humming sound out at the condenser outside that sounds like the motor is trying to start but can't. We just had the system serviced back in January, all was good, even after 10 years without a service call. I can spin the fan with a screw driver thru the protection screen so the motor isn't seized up. It was working fine this morning, or so I thought.
This will be interesting...

fintstone 08-10-2022 02:33 PM

So, the fan is not running, and neither is the compressor. It is most likely the capacitor.

Scott Douglas 08-10-2022 02:35 PM

That's what I'm thinking but I'm no expert and I didn't sleep at the Holiday Inn last night either so I'm waiting to hear from the 'guys' that looked at it last.

Gogar 08-10-2022 02:36 PM

Run capacitor

masraum 08-10-2022 02:40 PM

That's my thought, capacitor. The motor needs a jolt to start and then will run on regular power. A capacitor provides the jolt, unless/until it goes bad.

fintstone 08-10-2022 02:41 PM

LOL. I'm not an expert either...but fix six or seven a year. Simple compared to even the easiest problem on a 911.

Usually the cap, but recently had a bad contactor (just a big relay) ...but can't be sure without testing. Also had a bad compressor on one and had a pro replace it.

Good luck...too hot for bad A/C.

id10t 08-10-2022 02:54 PM

And just in case... the $340 portable unit that Lowes sells isn't bad, seal off a smaller area (large bedroom etc) and it does the job. Had AC go out 2 weeks ago in similar conditions and the redheaded wife is going thru menopause. Literal life saver.

Superman 08-10-2022 02:58 PM

I sometimes work on tube amplifiers and those capacitors are perhaps a very different animal, but you do have to be VERY careful around tube amps because those capacitors can store lethal voltages. One of my amps has a circuit using several capacitors and operating at just under 600 Volts. I'd be comfortable swapping out a heat pump capacitor, but I would use a procedure that assumes the worst. I would NOT go anywhere near the guts of a microwave oven. FWIW.

aschen 08-10-2022 03:00 PM

Turn off power

Short across cap leads with screwdriver that has insulated handle

read capacitance value and voltage rating off fan cap or dual cap (if its the same one for compressor), dual cap will (obviously) have 2 pairs of ratings

order like part off amazon for 10-20$ (voltage rating can be higher)

82.5% chance that fixes the problem without a 200% service call, you may be able to source the cap locally at an ac supply store. Hopless despot and similar places don't seem to stock them in my area I think for legal reasons

Scott Douglas 08-10-2022 03:01 PM

My fear of electricity far out weighs my desire to be cool or to escape the wrath of my wife for it not working. Trust me on that.

Baz 08-10-2022 03:05 PM

I've posted this before.

You can use a portable AC, as mentioned by id10t, above.

Or.....I have a standard window unit that can be used in situations like this. It's only 5K BTU, but that's more than enough to maintain enough comfort to allow some flexibility on repairs to the main unit.

They are 110v, under $200, and well worth it.

Scott Douglas 08-10-2022 03:08 PM

I'll just put a block of ice in a pan and set in front of the fan my wife has constantly blowing in the family room. That should do just as well and be a lot cheaper too.

A930Rocket 08-10-2022 03:12 PM

Our capacitor was replaced about a year and a half ago. I’m tempted to see what size/make it is and have one on standby.

mattdavis11 08-10-2022 03:15 PM

Mine went out Saturday morning with symptoms the same as yours. It was bad capacitor.

My biggest concern was finding a place that would sell one to me NOW. I got that arranged through a master electrician 200 miles away.. Took longer to get the part than to fix it.

If you are fixing it yourself, look at the microfared numbers on the capacitor. Yours may be a dual capacitor like mine, which is the compressor (Herm) and fan. Mine was 40+5 440v.

Easy job, just don't forget kill the power to the unit (condenser) and then discharge the capacitor first.

Amazon sells capacitors, but I couldn't wait until Monday.

Scott Douglas 08-10-2022 03:15 PM

I wouldn't even know where to begin looking for a capacitor on the unit much less be able to get in a position to take it out. I'm old and don't bend like I used to.

mattdavis11 08-10-2022 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A930Rocket (Post 11767149)
Our capacitor was replaced about a year and a half ago. I’m tempted to see what size/make it is and have one on standby.

It's a good idea to have a spare on hand.

mattdavis11 08-10-2022 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 11767152)
I wouldn't even know where to begin looking for a capacitor on the unit much less be able to get in a position to take it out. I'm old and don't bend like I used to.

I thought the same. Mine was three 1/4 inch machine screws for the cover, 1 screw for the capacitor retaining band. Then it was just 4 wire connectors, two for common, 1 herm, 1 fan.

Give it a shot!

Scott Douglas 08-10-2022 03:26 PM

I'll watch real close when they come to fix it and maybe do it next time, if I live that long.

masraum 08-10-2022 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aschen (Post 11767143)
Turn off power

Short across cap leads with screwdriver that has insulated handle

read capacitance value and voltage rating off fan cap or dual cap (if its the same one for compressor), dual cap will (obviously) have 2 pairs of ratings

order like part off amazon for 10-20$ (voltage rating can be higher)

82.5% chance that fixes the problem without a 200% service call, you may be able to source the cap locally at an ac supply store. Hopless despot and similar places don't seem to stock them in my area I think for legal reasons

I'm assuming your process is correct, but rather than ordering from Amazon, I would find a local shop where you can buy one. I've bought at least one or maybe two in the past, and was able to source them locally, usually in 30-60 mins once I'd determined what the problem is. Find a couple/few HVAC parts places, call around, "do you have capacitors? Do you sell to someone that's not a contractor?" And yeah, they are usually super cheap.

red-beard 08-10-2022 05:20 PM

I stock the capacitors and motor contractors for all my AC units.


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