Certainly sounds like something is out of whack.

Take it in, for sure.

I believe i understand exactly what you mean. That's VERY weird, and it sounds like there's some sort of issue, because there shouldn't be increased resistance at dead center. I would expect that to be the area of least resistance.

That's REALLY weird.

Does it have some sort of active lane management? IE, it will bump you back if you start to wander to the other lane?

I think I also understand what Scott's describing. Sounds like he's driving a mid '70s land yacht with bad shocks/bushings/alignment, etc.

I would go test drive another same 2019 Kia Soul as a comparison.

Way too new to have that janky handling.

I picture it as kind of like trying to rotate an engine to TDC. When you get it to TDC, it wants to fall off to either side. Or trying to open a door to exactly the wrong spot so that the detent makes it open a little more or close some.

But I'm confused about the fact that he only experiences it when using 2 hands, but not 1 hand. That's the real head scratcher.

You are complaining about him having 2 hands on the wheel?

He's complaining because despite him having 2 hands on the wheel, he felt like the kid was weaving back and forth. Now he's driven it and understands because he had the same experience, but only when driven with 2 hands. When he drives with just one hand, it doesn't do it.

^^^ Ah. Makes sense now.

Back in my youth I met Sterling Moss, I was all of 14 years old. He told us kids to drive with hands at the 10-2 position. So when I started driving this is what I did, 57 years ago. Took several driving schools since then. I tried the 9-3 thing, Just could not get used to it. I still try but------.
I have never been in a wreck.

Pretty much, two hands actively steering it doesn’t want to sit dead center.

Only one hand actively steering it doesn’t do it.

It’s a pretty small window and as i’ve said feels like a change in resistance from the pump.

Only thing that makes sense is to compensate for that little bit of torque steer all FWD cars impart.

Have you ever driven that car before?

What you describe sounds like something has changed.

If he hit a curb, would he tell you?

Just to be sure...we're not talking about the 'lane mitigation feature' on the car?

If I just barely touch the white fog line with my Civic the wheel shakes until the car is centered in the lane.

I’ve driven it more than he has.

Used it as my daily driver for a year while he was away at school.

Are you saying it drives the same now?

I've been thinking about getting the boy a Brodie knob. He jacks that wheel all the way up and drives with one hand.

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That sounds horrible!

My wifes Outback has lane management. 99% of the time, it's pretty seemless. Every once in a while, I feel the wheel move against me when I haven't veered toward an edge. The wheel never shakes though. Any motion from the lane management is smooth.

Hell, sometimes it feels like the car is actively steering around a corner. If I let go of the wheel, after a few secs the car will tell me to grab the wheel again. I have to assume that it must occasionally "nudge" the wheel to see if there's resistance, and if there's not, it assumes no one is holding the wheel.

Did it do that during the year that you were driving it or did you never drive it with two hands during that year :eek:?

My thought is that when driving with one hand, you don't have as much control as with two, so the issue is still there, but you don't notice. But clearly, I haven't driven that car, and that's just me diagnosing over the Internet.

Please don't be offended. I work in the kind of job where pretty much all of us question our colleagues when they come to us with a problem that sounds weird like yours does until we independently confirm it (trust but verify). We are all good enough at our jobs at this point that 99.9% of the time, "the other guy" was right and we all end up scratching our heads because the problem is "that weird". But that other .1% of the time, someone has had a brain fart or something, and the "verify" part reveals the problem to the second party and it wasn't weird. I actually suspect if I drove the car, I'd end up going "wow, WTF?!? It does exactly what you said."

Not sure if it was asked..
But does it happen on straights, or long curves, or both?

(Bad caster vs. PS pump burping/failing vs. Basic design vs. something other)

The feature in the Honda is a gentle shake of the wheel...it doesn't affect the steering at all. It can be defeated easily.

I like it...I leave mine on all the time because it has taught me to keep my attention on the road better.

How is it in the rain?
My E36 M3 was scary in the rain because the rear trailing arms bushings (RTABS) were toast. You could barely keep it in-between the lines in the rain. Couldn't really notice it in the dry.

In my 40+ years of driving i’ve driven almost exclusively manuals.

I have a definite left hand bias for steering input / control.

Yes i still drive with both hands on the wheel but do have a dominant hand.

Meaning i’m not imparting equal input, i switch dominant hand based on need.

I suspect a lot of people drive that way without realizing it.

The car tracks straight even with no hands on the wheel.

Doesn’t pull.

If you are driving down a long straight stretch do you steer the car with both hands the whole time to keep the car going straight or do you impart subtle input to correct any deviation?

I do the later, he seems to do the former and gets into an over correct loop because of a slight drop in resistance TDC.

It’s a small light car so has really light steering to begin with. A 911 it’s not.

Ditto, If I have only one hand on the wheel (tooling along on the Interstate in light traffic for instance) it's the left hand. These days, it's rarely on the top of the wheel. It's more likely to be with my arm on the arm rest and holding the side of the wheel somewhere between 8 and 9.

I always figured that "one hand at 12 o'clock air bag"
thing was a non-issue.

If I was going to hit something hard enough to set off
the airbag, I most certainly would recognize it and
move my hands to a more defensive position while
trying to avoid the collision.

If by chance I would not recognize the impending collision,
My being behind the wheel would be a greater concern than
my hand position on the wheel.

Does he drive with his arms straight ? My wife used to drive like that and you could get seasick when she was driving. I taught her to get a little closer to the wheel so that her arms were comfortably bent at the elbows. Her driving smoothed out immediately. She noticed the difference immediately too.

I understand, but at the same time, accidents often don't happen to alert, defensive drivers unless they get momentarily distracted which can happen to anyone. No one plans to not pay attention and get in an accident.

I don't think so. He know the wrist on top of steering wheel method for seating position but he could pull his shoulders back.

I'll have to watch for that.

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My son is going to have a hard time driving with me in the car. He is starting drivers ed this fall.

Fingers and Thumbs not palms??

Hands at 8 and 4 is probably not horrible for folks that aren't driving aggressively, especially since almost everything these days has power steering. But obviously, driving an older 911 w/o power steering, 8 and 4 would be bad.

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My wheel seems to encourage 10 - 2. What is this "air" "bag" you speak of?

My Mustang has thumb rests in the same position...

Looks like 9 and 3 to me. Most wheels are like this.

looking at the wear on my steering wheels (ive worn out two now), looks like i grip harder with my left, but always 9/3 and 2 hands whenever not shifting.

you'd never see a race car driver drive a manual with one hand, and anywhere other 9/3. any other method is wrong, period.

Hurley Haywood was riding with customers and immediately he would ask some if they often drove in traffic?
He could tell because those drivers are trained to look mostly at the front of their own car instead far ahead where they want the car to go.
Eye control maybe your young driver is only looking directly in front of his car.
And he was nervous long trip driving with dad shotgun. ;)

Every car I ever owned for the first 19 years of driving was a manual. I am 100% a right hand dominate person, except for steering.

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On a road like this, which is NOT at all uncommon around here, I will rest just my left hand on the top side of the the bottom of the steering wheel and relax my right hand with the cruise control set to maintain speed. Minor corrections is all it takes to keep it between the lines. I am in the left lane only because I did just pass a truck to make a better photo.

In traffic, certainly it is two hands on the wheel except during a shift.

My last wreck was in 1978 when some dumb blonde decided she did not want to scrape the ice from her windshield, and she ran a stop sign at a 4 way stop, she could not see the stop sign because her windshield was frosted up. I would have sworn I saw her stopping or I would not have pulled into the intersection. Steering wheel hand position had nothing to do with it.

Now I see drivers swerving all over the place because they are texting and not driving. Again, just bad drivers and nothing to do with hand position, except their hands are on the damn phone and not the wheel.

On the track, yea, no doubt, both hands on the wheel, 10 and 3 or so.

Touch pad panels on dashes...absolutely hate them. I do believe they contribute to the accident rate.

I suspect they aren't contributing much more than stereos did back in the day. Plenty of folks used to look down at their stereos and fiddle with knobs and buttons while driving instead of paying attention to the road. The new infotainment centers may have caused an uptick, but I suspect it was relatively small, especially compared to cell phones.

Phones, absolutely, huge distraction.

Give it time --bet his approach changes with experience.

I guess it is because I'm getting older, but when I look down at anything I have to be careful to stay between the lines.