https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1575469765858050056?s=21&t=wrnW70MYXRb0MXLIO4IR_g
One more video. This lady explains the significance pretty well.

I think her characterization of Madison is a little simplistic.

Did he own slaves?

Yes he did. And if that’s the extent of your analysis of his character, you fail just as she did.

You are 110% right. Anyone that would enslave another person is a monster and devoid of character. Lizzo did not fail and neither did I. The fact that you are worked up is telling.

I’m not worked up, the fact that people make that comment is amusing.

Maybe you should use this opportunity to take a look at Mr. Madison and his views, they’re not as straightforward as you probably think.

Not that I care what you think, I’m just trying to be polite.

And you can’t seem to follow a thread, the failure that I referenced earlier was in reference to your liberal lady educating us on Mr. Madison. She got a couple things wrong right off the bat but also biased her characterization of him. Not that I was expecting otherwise but one can hope.

As for Lizzo, now that you mention her, I would’ve had more respect for her performance had she actually played the flute in her concert. She apparently played it earlier in the day, I guess her focus that evening was more about the twerking than actually playing anything.

Whatever, IDGAF.

Man it’s annoying when someone starts a thread clearly worked up over something and then ens it with IDGAF. History is history and that teacher was showing no bias. It is what it is.

Yeah we can tell,,:rolleyes: Just chalk it up to "I don't get it" like you already said and leave it at that..

Just one of many instances I'm sure.:D

Uh oh JD, I think you’re being accused of “mean Tweets”. Just remember how that turned out for the last guy.

This thread is funny as hell ... I thought I would contribute what I think about this :).

This Lizzo-flute controversy is a perfect example of what I have termed Face Tattoo Phenomenon™: the phenomenon whereby someone does something deliberately controversial in an attempt to draw attention, and then acts offended when you notice.

FTP .... that acronym is already taken.

SIRDGAFA...R

That one is available :)

Pretty much, oh yeah, also racist, because, reasons.

If she can twirk and play the flute at the same time, I would be impressed.

Did I miss it, or does it remain a complete mystery why this was done?

But Clinton's cigar has already been played. And now, James Madison's flute has been played! The two monumental first time events are just added layers to the historically important presidential lore of this country

My oh my, one would think that we ran outta canadian beer down here

Most folks "go with the flow." Values are largely taught/learned. If you grow up in a world where certain things are normal and widely accepted, most folks will believe it. Not just with slavery, but with lots of things. There are thousands and millions of examples of things that are acceptable in one culture but unacceptable in another today.

Who knows what our descendents will think is perfectly normal 200 years from now or will be appalled that we think is normal today.

I don't in any way condone slavery, but at the same time, I am not going to try to say that everyone in the past that's had slaves have been horrible people. In many cases they were just people doing what people did in their time. I think it was a bad thing, of course, because I have the values of today. And lets not forget that the US and the enslavement of Africans is not the only slavery that's occurred in the history of man. There has been lots of slavery of lots of folks over the last few thousand years (and it's still going on today in parts of the world).

lol!

It's Art, folks. It is meant to evoke a reaction.
If you don't "get it ", that is fine.

Best
Les

I agree with that, Scott; owning slaves soils one's otherwise accomplishments and relegates that person to the status of scumbag, the way I see it.

The caution by some to not judge past figurers by current standards of conduct is worthy of consideration/contemplation, but for me, that doesn't hold water when it comes to this subject, for several reasons; for one, many people of the era saw the evil in slavery (it was not a country-wide accepted practice, or norm, in other words, for a great many Americans - aka - the entire populace was not under some otherworldly trance of "slavery good" and thus not responsible for their choices and actions), and those that did engage in slavery, did so for entirely self-serving reasons (financial gain, maintenance of current lifestyle, and so forth) at the great expense of others (the slaves) which tells me that their characters were little more than that of the most base animal, regardless of how frequently and loudly they sang hymns in church. And if somehow some genuinely did not know what they were doing was morally wrong, then they were beyond clueless, and/or willfully blind. I consider those folks (from the common Joe or Jane to the most celebrated public figures) to be worthy of contempt, and certainly not be extended a pass simply because slavery was a popular practice of the time.

The same goes for some questionable behaviors/practices that have seemingly gained current acceptance in our society; regardless of supposed acceptance, many note the obvious wrong/evil, and those that do not, are either blind, stupid, incredibly self-serving, or a combination of all that, and should not get a pass in the future for wallowing in the popular cesspools of today.