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My buddy wants a long hood project
What resources should I point my buddy to for research before he buys a long hood project.
Background: he is an accomplished engineer who rebuilds airplanes. He wants a long hood to go full restoration on. What should he read before he starts shopping? Thanks! |
resources? Depending on the car he will need the user manual to a welder.
There are lots of great resources. the factory manuals. Wayne's books (101 projects and engine build), Bruce Anderson, the "red book". even a 911 Hayne's manual. How far does he want to go. There are cosmetic, mechanical, hot rod and full restorations. He should drive a few different cars and start to get a feel for these. They are all the same and different. Budget is also a concern - especially if originality is a key factor. |
If he really wants a project, BHCC.
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How much does he wana spend for the project car?
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Great feedback.
He wants a project. He has taken a number of small aircraft wrecks and rebuilt them. He designs parts for airplanes professionally. So, he has some good skills. I think budget is 50 - 75K or less. He likes stock, no hotrods or weird mods. He would reverse stuff like a slant nose or big flares. I knew about Wayne's books. Forgot about Bruce Anderson - good one! What is BHCC? Not sure what that is? Also, other than Pelican, The Samba, BAT, Craigslist and Rennslist, am I missing a good place to look? He needs to sell some toys before this becomes reality. I did some quick shopping and got depressed about the pricing of cars that I have previously sold...so I may not be a big help here. |
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Might be able to find a '66-'69 912 and stay in budget...might not.
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Start price is 50-75. Let’s not be silly. He is going to lose his azz on this. I told him.
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My car is a project that's within striking distance of finishing. I think it might be a bit of a problem to find one that doesn't devolve into a huge money pit, labor pit, parts finding pit, etc. Unless he wants to spend a big part of his life and bank account, I'd advise him to find a good/decent example in good enough shape to drive with minor things he can work on. Rust is a major thing - as we all know - that has to be addressed on lots of these half century old cars that aren't restored or been protected. I'm hopiing I don't kick the bucket before I get mine finished and drive it, but at the rate I'm going, that's a possibility.
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He'll have to go with a 912 for that budget. People here are always blasting Beverly Hills Car Club, but they have a ton of 912s and 911s for somewhat reasonable prices (on some of them, anyway). The wrecked white '65 911 is a bit steep, but it demonstrates the huge cost difference between a 911 and a 912, such as the red '65 right below it.
https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/inventory.htm?make=%5BPorsche%5D&orderby=make,year |
Patience and money. The only long hood "projects" left out there are pretty terrible chunks of rust. They are long, drawn-out projects that will drain the first-timer's soul.
It is a pretty expensive and massive undertaking to start with a driving, relatively rust-free midyear and fix everything/get it perfect (in that price range). That is where I would start and see just how well I liked that type of project before spending more time, money, and blood buying and rebuilding a project long hood. |
Some recent BaT examples including a serious project that went for $10 on a yesteryear $1
And this is just BaT. FBM has some too, as well as other outlets. I'm sure a WTB ad on various forums would dredge up some interesting cars too. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-porsche-911t-68/ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-porsche-911t-targa-28/ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-porsche-911t-87/ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-porsche-911t-62/ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-porsche-911t-9-2/ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-porsche-911t-85/ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-porsche-911t-targa-26/ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-porsche-911t-64/ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-porsche-911t-63/ |
I gave him the 912 option. Pretty early in his decision process. Great input. I am clearly not up to speed on the market.
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Interesting side note: I found a very interesting 356 the other day and pitched it to a friend as something we could partner on…
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You didn't say if he was a body man or engine rebuilder.
If he is both, the budget could work. |
For 912's, check the 912bbs.org classifieds.
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His comment was that he "wanted to do a 100% nuts and bolts restoration." I don't think he is a body guy. Airplanes have cloth over the framework. He certainly has done aircooled engines in the past.
Thanks all! Great thoughts. |
I was gonna suggest a 912 also, but not really in hindsight: some nice 912s are out$$$ 911s lately, the cheap 912 chassis era is over, and if he's gonna "invest" 50-75K of his own money + a lot of time, IMO he might as well get more of a return on investment by doing a real VIN 911...
I would bet he can find a nice project T for 30-40K, something with needs, no problem. His top budget would likely buy a decent running/looking car to begin with so a project, no problem! The Qs to ask is what does he want - LWB vs SWB... SWBs are more twitchy/fun/valuable/expensive/less powerful (staying stock), LWB are more plentiful, cheaper, more stable, bigger engines, and 72-73 even have a proper gearbox pattern ( I jest, dogleg people) - so there are choices there ! I would contact Adam at Unobtainium, and follow them on ebay, they pull out "projects" all the time (way below his budget) and I would stay away from BHCC and their documented legal troubles... |
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