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cockerpunk 06-06-2023 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CurtEgerer (Post 12016717)
I'd be more tolerant of the so-called 'Cup Car' at Le Mans, if they allowed Hendrick to run the car in all remaining Cup races this year with it's same 750HP and 500lb weight reduction :cool: And there is a zero chance of a new category being added to WEC/Le Mans. With the advent of the new Hypercars, there is no room on track or in the pits. IMSA has already deleted the LMP3 cars for next year to make room.

The GT category will be GT3 cars starting next year in WEC/IMSA/Le Mans. GM will run their Corvette and they could easily build GT3 Camaros if they wanted to actually race on equal footing. The G56 car is 'boob bait for the bubbas' :D

GM will have a GT3 corvette next year.

JackDidley 06-06-2023 12:47 PM

2024 will be the end of the Camaro. I am wondering what they will race in NASCAR 2025 ??

unclebilly 06-06-2023 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CurtEgerer (Post 12016717)
I'd be more tolerant of the so-called 'Cup Car' at Le Mans, if they allowed Hendrick to run the car in all remaining Cup races this year with it's same 750HP and 500lb weight reduction :cool: And there is a zero chance of a new category being added to WEC/Le Mans. With the advent of the new Hypercars, there is no room on track or in the pits. IMSA has already deleted the LMP3 cars for next year to make room.

The GT category will be GT3 cars starting next year in WEC/IMSA/Le Mans. GM will run their Corvette and they could easily build GT3 Camaros if they wanted to actually race on equal footing. The G56 car is 'boob bait for the bubbas' :D

So because the car is so different / superior from everything else, they shouldn't let it race? You cant 'tolerate' it? Good thing nobody thought this way back when Porsche was campaigning the 917...

Zeke 06-06-2023 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JackDidley (Post 12016822)
2024 will be the end of the Camaro. I am wondering what they will race in NASCAR 2025 ??

They plan on grandfathering it.

But in 3 to 5 years the field is going to look very different. They may be a bit worried.

Zeke 06-06-2023 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wilnj (Post 12016574)
10,000 page rule books.


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Same for the Ferrari or any other. If it's a car, let it run.

wilnj 06-06-2023 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 12016885)
Same for the Ferrari or any other. If it's a car, let it run.


Well you’re asking why they don’t run against each other and I answered.

The bigger difference is Ferrari only sold street cars to subsidize his racing program. Hudson was racing cars to sell street cars.

The only run what you brung races are Saturday night at your local dirt track.


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URY914 06-06-2023 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 12016481)
Marshall Pruett interviewed Jenson on the RACER website about the car. It was very insightful on how the car's performance compares to the GTE cars. It's on the RACER youtube channel. They show the car on track with other car and it looks HUGE, The car was on display at the Rolex and I'll post my photos of it tonight.

As promised..

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1686096581.JPG

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1686096828.JPG

URY914 06-06-2023 05:19 PM

The Camaro team wins LeMans!!!!

One staple of the NASCAR pit stop that was carried to Circuit de la Sarthe was the manual jack. The Hendrick crew was the only one to utilize the manual jack. All other teams have air jacks at their disposal.

Without an air jack, the Garage 56 car was afforded an extra crew member, the jackman, to lift the car up. Two tire carriers (as opposed to one in NASCAR), and two tire changers swapped the four Goodyear Racing Eagles in 10.364 seconds. It was the crew’s fastest stop of the day.

https://kickinthetires.net/le-mans/nascar-garage-56-lemans-pit-competition/?fbclid=IwAR2Du1dkqqCmUJU5JJbzwpGpmw8QK2ufjXolR0Xz 6UhXXL5BjlHfOPyoLrA

pwd72s 06-06-2023 05:44 PM

An old story from years ago by a friend, so dunno it's veracity..

A Lemans entrant called NASCAR's woods brothers, asking if they'd be interested in being a pit crew.
They responded they'd crew for anyone, what's the pay? Told the pay, they hung up..

herr_oberst 06-06-2023 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 12017056)
An old story from years ago by a friend, so dunno it's veracity..

A Lemans entrant called NASCAR's woods brothers, asking if they'd be interested in being a pit crew.
They responded they'd crew for anyone, what's the pay? Told the pay, they hung up..

That story might be true, but the Woods Bros. did work the pits for Ford in 1966, and helped Ford beat Ferrari. (1,2,3 sweep) So they must have been satisfied with the pay arrangements that year.

JackDidley 06-06-2023 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 12017033)
The Camaro team wins LeMans!!!!

One staple of the NASCAR pit stop that was carried to Circuit de la Sarthe was the manual jack. The Hendrick crew was the only one to utilize the manual jack. All other teams have air jacks at their disposal.

Without an air jack, the Garage 56 car was afforded an extra crew member, the jackman, to lift the car up. Two tire carriers (as opposed to one in NASCAR), and two tire changers swapped the four Goodyear Racing Eagles in 10.364 seconds. It was the crew’s fastest stop of the day.

https://kickinthetires.net/le-mans/nascar-garage-56-lemans-pit-competition/?fbclid=IwAR2Du1dkqqCmUJU5JJbzwpGpmw8QK2ufjXolR0Xz 6UhXXL5BjlHfOPyoLrA

Fifth overall out of 62 teams is good if you ask me.

Tobra 06-06-2023 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 11851282)
Didn't the Cup cars get up to like 212 decades ago at Talladega before they were restricted? Gonna be a LOT faster than that now ....

I bet they don't ride the wall :D

Chrysler's wing cars got relegated to a small block pretty quick.

Bobby Issac took his car to Bonneville Salt Flats when it got banned from Nascar, 217 two way average in like 1971, set a bunch of records

sorry about the jalopnik link

https://jalopnik.com/how-a-nascar-driver-set-28-speed-records-with-a-banned-5847047

Can you imagine, drifting, at 200 MPH, on the salt :o

Heel n Toe 06-06-2023 09:59 PM

Button: "Itttttt's pretty fun to drive."

<iframe width="1515" height="544" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9kq1NvmOUqg" title="NASCAR Garage 56 on Track Footage at Le Mans + More!" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe>

pwd72s 06-06-2023 11:15 PM

Thanks for posting...fun video

CurtEgerer 06-07-2023 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 12016875)
So because the car is so different / superior from everything else, they shouldn't let it race? You cant 'tolerate' it? Good thing nobody thought this way back when Porsche was campaigning the 917...

Huh?? The 'Cup Car' has 250 more horsepower than GTE cars - of course it's superior :D:D Build it to GTE specs and it's an also-ran. My problem is not that the car is fast (it should be!), it's that this is a blatant Barnum & Bailey type stunt to promote NASCAR in the middle of one of the most important races in the world. As a competitor, the last thing I would want is some clown car in its own class of one mixing it up with serious racing efforts. Hopefully they don't take anyone out or affect the outcome of the race.

How about we take a Porsche 963 - call it, umm, the Garage 56 963 - and enter it at the Tallageda NASCAR race? What is NASCAR afraid of :D

rfuerst911sc 06-07-2023 04:21 AM

Does anyone know if Pratt & Miller are involved in any way ? I could see this as a data collection effort for the future Corvette GT3 effort .

Any chance Hendricks is looking to get into GT3 racing ? Regardless of the reason/s I look forward to see how they do . Solid team with solid drivers .

rfuerst911sc 06-07-2023 04:50 AM

Toyota not happy with new safety car rules .

https://www.motorsport.com/lemans/news/toyota-blasts-americanisation-le-mans-safety-car-rules/10479624/

unclebilly 06-07-2023 05:15 AM

Curt - NASCAR is a spec series. 24 hours of Le Man’s is not. There are various classes with rules and there is a class for ‘experimental’ cars such as this.

It’s fast, yes, but will it hold together for 24 hours?

I’ve been endurance racing for the last 12 years. The high horsepower cars rarely finish. The key is minimal fast scheduled pit stops, and consistent laps.

I think this is great and hope to see more of this in years to come. Motorsports as we know it is dying. Read the thread on how old guys are killing Motorsports…

herr_oberst 06-07-2023 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 12017262)
Does anyone know if Pratt & Miller are involved in any way ?

That was an excellent question. It would make perfect sense for P&M to jump on as a partner, right? I had to know, so I found this early article from Racer magazine and it states Action Express Racing and Dallara are helping with the effort - but it also mentions air jacks for pitting, and someone above says that they were using floor jacks in a pit stop challenge on this car.

https://racer.com/2022/03/17/insight-why-a-nascar-is-going-to-le-mans/

https://axracing.com/

wilnj 06-07-2023 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 12017262)
Any chance Hendricks is looking to get into GT3 racing ? Regardless of the reason/s I look forward to see how they do . Solid team with solid drivers .

My assumption was that NASCAR went looking for a partner and Hendricks had the resources to do it.


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cockerpunk 06-07-2023 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CurtEgerer (Post 12017237)
it's that this is a blatant Barnum & Bailey type stunt to promote NASCAR in the middle of one of the most important races in the world.

why would that be a bad thing?

thats literally the point of garage 56.

and its already working. its all everyone is talking about re le mans.

URY914 06-07-2023 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12017366)
why would that be a bad thing?

thats literally the point of garage 56.

and its already working. its all everyone is talking about re le mans.

Agree. The Deltawing was a Garage 56 car. In 1976 NASCAR was allowed to run 2 stock cars. Throwing something different in the mix is good for the sport.

Zeke 06-07-2023 06:51 AM

I hope the G56 car kills it. If a Ford can go 24, then this car can. Will the door open? It should.

cockerpunk 06-07-2023 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 12017372)
Agree. The Deltawing was a Garage 56 car. In 1976 NASCAR was allowed to run 2 stock cars. Throwing something different in the mix is good for the sport.

100%

garage 56 is a great way to showcase technology and platforms that the rules otherwise restrict and prevent. thats the point. thats what its for.

and it doesnt pervert the racing, because its its own class.

its a win-win IMO.

Captain Ahab Jr 06-07-2023 07:44 AM

Garage 56 is a novelty entry

No serious chance of doing anything notable other than an interesting side show to the main event

wilnj 06-07-2023 07:45 AM

Isn’t that also how the hybrids came about? This video of the Cadillac leaving the pit box is pretty badass.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT81erX7B/


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ted 06-07-2023 08:07 AM

I can relate better with the Camaro silhouette than all the Prototype space ship shapes.
I will always prefer a 750hp V8 big banger to a science project hybrid ground gripping road rocket.
I'm a renascence racer not a NASA rocket racer. PS Not a Nascar oval race fan either.

Hybrid drivers will loose if they bangs doors and try to get physical with the big Camaro.

rfuerst911sc 06-07-2023 08:13 AM

I think it's a mistake for anyone to under estimate the potential of this project . I don't follow Nascar but I do know Hendricks has $$$ , talent and expertise . They have 3 talented drivers and a very solid pit crew . They seem to be very focused .

What will be considered a win ? Lasting 24 hours ? Beating half the GT field ? Beating all of the GT field ? Beating back marker hyper cars ? I don't pretend to have the answer but looking forward to how it plays out .

Zeke 06-07-2023 02:51 PM

Lemans Camaro, just a few turns.
 
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Not much footage of the stock car but this was nice and close.

astrochex 06-07-2023 02:57 PM

I wish this effort well. As rfuerst911sc said, there is a solid team behind this effort. They are in to kick butt. I think a win would be to complete the 24hrs. JJ is my concern in the cockpit.

I look forward to the eventual whining about this car during the race.

Zeke 06-07-2023 03:02 PM

Hell, if Dale Jr. can do endurance, JJ can too.

JackDidley 06-07-2023 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by astrochex (Post 12017844)
I wish this effort well. As rfuerst911sc said, there is a solid team behind this effort. They are in to kick butt. I think a win would be to complete the 24hrs. JJ is my concern in the cockpit.

I look forward to the eventual whining about this car during the race.

Yep . JJ sucked in Indy car and has sucked in Cup this year. Back in the day he was great. Then he wasn't and still isn't.

Otter74 06-08-2023 09:25 AM

I think people make a mistake in underestimating NASCAR. It's not the Smokey Yunick era any more, and as mentioned above Hendricks is a top-shelf team who know how to put together a good entry. This isn't a straight-off-the-banking setup, either. Obviously it's set up for road racing.

porsche930dude 06-08-2023 03:44 PM

Thats pretty cool. Any car that makes engine noises is fine with me. I usually dont watch these sort of races though they are too boring because they just show the leaders the whole time. I really like seeing the oddball cars like I remember when spyker was racing it was really fun to follow but the booring prototypes got all the coverage.

URY914 06-08-2023 04:34 PM

Surprise!- Ferrari on the pole.

rfuerst911sc 06-08-2023 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 12018718)
Surprise!- Ferrari on the pole.

To finish first you first have to finish . Congrats to Ferrari getting the pole but let's see where everyone is after 24 hours .

herr_oberst 06-08-2023 05:15 PM

Rumor has it they're using the F1 race tactics and communication teams this weekend.

URY914 06-08-2023 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 12018746)
Rumor has it they're using the F1 race tactics and communication teams this weekend.

OUCH! That's a cheap shot! But a good one. ;)

dw1 06-08-2023 08:06 PM

(2) points:

Reliability is what kills most new entries in the LeMans (or Daytona) 24 hour race. Speed is good, but keeping it running is even better.

It wasn't all that long ago that a racing-modified version of a US street car won its class at Le Mans 3 years in a row. It was the Viper GTS-R.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/watch-a-le-mans-winning-1996-viper-gts-r-hit-the-track-before-heading-to-auction

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1686283486.jpg

CurtEgerer 06-09-2023 03:36 AM

The way it should be done! Ford unveiled their awesome GT3 Mustang yesterday. Ford will compete at Le Mans next year - yes, actually compete in a class and built to the specifications of that class. No hocus-pocus, don't look behind the curtain BS :cool:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1686310558.jpg


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