True or not....I was on the fence about his responsibility until I heard that during the safety meeting he skipped out.
Staying on his phone was more important to him.

Pampered and privileged people are not accustomed to being held responsible. Not ever having been one, I think it would take a lot of integrity to maintain humility. AB is not well-known for being humble.

That could change. He’s got a buncha little kids. If he gets off with a slap on the wrist, i.e., no hard time, maybe he will learn from this and be grateful for living in a country founded on the notion of individual liberty with a constitution having certain amendments meant to guarantee it.

Maybe. Nah, that’s not going to happen

Because we often step on our own dicks?

Actors usually go through a "boot camp" for roles where an expert or technical advisor is hired to show them how to properly execute tasks that are germane to their character.

For instance if you're playing a cop you'll do "ride alongs" with real police, learn how to do a proper search and seizure, take down a suspect, etc.

For westerns there is time set aside for training with the Armorer in weapons handling, safety, target practice (on an actual range with a firearm similar to what they will be handling), maybe some gun twirling, holstering, etc. When the camera is ready to roll you don't want it to appear as their "first rodeo", they should seem to be in a familiar role/environment. They get an extensive amount of training.

All charges dropped.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-criminal-charges-dropped-195315070.html

I shouldn't be surprised, but I am. I guess they'd at least make a show of it rather than killing it before it really even started.

Re; the OP, guess not...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/charge-against-alec-baldwin-dropped-in-rust-shooting-95f2bedf?mod=djemalertNEWS

hope everyone boycotts the movie instead of a morbid fantasy about it. :rolleyes:

Maybe Halyna Hutchins' family would prefer you watch Rust and the documentary, as her widower husband Matthew Hutchins will be an executive producer.

Disgusting. I hope whatever conscience he has left nags him until the day he is worm food.

There really is no justice in this world. Why even bother doing the right thing?

I hope AB is crushed in the civil suit.

I actually think this is a big reason for some of the behavior we’re seeing nowdays.

And predictably...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/20/alec-baldwin-charges-dropped-rust-shooting

All charges were dropped but prosecutor says case could be reopened in the future . What ?

If the charges have been dropped, then this doesn't count as him having been tried. If he hasn't been tried, then he can still be tried. Maybe they weren't confident of their odds with the evidence that they currently have. Or maybe the "we may try him at a later date" is just a statement meant to keep some folks from screaming about the charges being dropped.

^^^^^ This .... the last part.

Well, it seems that there is at least a possibility that the gun discharged without a trigger pull, which changes things dramatically. The newly appointed prosecutors want time to analyze that evidence, and dropped charges to buy time. Given that if they went to trial and this evidence was introduced, it seems to me it could form basis for reasonable doubt, and thus acquittal and double jeopardy attaching. Tactically it makes sense not to go forward until you have the ability to discern what impact this additional fact adds.

I'm still a little cloudy on all the details but remember someone saying this rehearsal was impromptu without the knowledge of HGR. And she wasn't even present.

Seems to me, if that is true, she can't be held accountable for the firearm being loaded as it was not her who handed it to Baldwin. IIRC, the AD did that, and has already plead to a lesser offense.

What a colossal wast of time and money to just drop it now.

The armorer is for sure the biggest culprit. I can't imagine how there was any live ammo allowed anywhere near the set for any reason.

I don't understand the animus towards Baldwin. He swears he never pulled the trigger, but did pull the hammer back. They said the FBI never examined the gun for modifications, just pronounced that it couldn't go off without a trigger pull. They are now re-examining the gun for modifications.

I agree. CNN interviewed a movie set armorer who said, "Blanks and live ammo shouldn't be in the same zip code together, let alone on a movie set."

I read online that there is supposed to be an update today. The New York Post is reporting that the trigger was replaced. The idea of a repaired or modified gun amazes me:

https://nypost.com/2023/04/20/new-trigger-on-rust-prop-gun-before-fatal-shooting-caused-misfire-report/

Even if Baldwin didn't pull the trigger, there is lots of blame to go around. It seems like nobody took their job or responsibility seriously. I worry we may never know some of the key facts, such as why there was live ammunition on set.

Replacing the trigger wouldn't have mattered if he hadn't pulled it. Triggers don't pull themselves. I have replaced plenty of triggers in my guns and none have fired by themselves. They all require me to act before firing - dry or hot.

What about the fact that the fbi destroyed the trigger making it inoperable...

Shouldn't matter. Could be an 11 lbs pull, could be a 3 lbs pull. There's no such thing as a 0 lbs pull trigger. They all require a pull and, even if it malfunctioned, the hammer had to be thumbed back for it to fire. This stuff can only happen with human action.

Would it have been likely the FBI testing could have broken the original trigger, assuming the gun was in good shape? Or did it break because it was damaged/defective/aftermarket? It's disappointing that this far along we basically cannot rely on the testing that was done. I'd be curious to know how this modification/replacement trigger information is just now coming out.

Again, why does it even need to be tested? The gun did not load itself, did not aim itself, cock its hammer back by itself ...... Until they start making 0 lbs pull triggers and with AI that makes the gun fire itself, it doesn't matter what kind of trigger was in the gun or how well it functioned or malfunctioned.

It seems to matter to a lot of people whether Baldwin pulled the trigger or not. He acknowledges he pulled back the hammer, and when we released the hammer, the gun went off. Personally, I don't think it matters if he accidentally pulled the trigger. The safety protocols should have allowed for that, or him pointing the gun the wrong way. I think Baldwin's problems arise from accepting the gun from an unauthorized person and possibly if he had responsibility for the proper safety being performed by the crew.

If a lot of people understand that Baldwin may have not pulled the trigger, the hostility towards him might subside.

Edit- all the facts will potentially help, especially if there's a criminal or civil trial.

With my single shot Cooey shotgun, if you pull the hammer back and let go of it before it clicks it will fire.
Can this handgun be the same?

Of course. Lots of guns work that way, even some modern ones. It's not a flaw or a bug, it's a feature.

So it could have gone off without him pulling the trigger.

But not without his cocking the hammer back. It cannot fire without a human causing it to fire.

At least an explanation.

have to figure out another way to "get even" for the SNL skits. i guess.

The FBI determined, unequivocally, that this specific gun absolutely would not fire unless the trigger was pulled after the hammer was cocked, or held back as the hammer was cocked and then released. When they received the gun, it was in fine working order, unmodified, nothing broken, nothing repaired or replaced. So, please, put that one to bed - Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger, or he was holding it back as he cocked the hammer.

I have spent a lifetime with these revolvers, Single Action Colts and their "clones" (this one was such a "clone"). I've been handling and shooting them literally since I was six years old. Dozens of them have gone through my hands, with several having been permanently added to my modest collection. I have literally tens of thousands of rounds through these things, maybe over a hundred thousand. I'm here to tell you - there is absolutely no way on God's green Earth that one of these could possibly go off without either pulling the trigger after having cocked the hammer, or by holding the trigger back while cocking and subsequently releasing the hammer.

Baldwin pulled, or was holding back the trigger. Period.

Investigators effectively conducted an autopsy of the Colt .45 revolver and found that there were worn joints and that the trigger control was not functioning properly, according to the source.

It became evident to prosecutors the gun could fire without pressure on the trigger, according to the source.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/gun-fatal-set-rust-shooting-mechanically-improper-source/story?id=98760315

And since the fbi broke the trigger. Prove that it is false...

I suspect that if the movie is ever released....it will be a huge money-maker.

The publicity from this will guarantee it.

Sounds like it was a POS gun.