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One of the problems I have with the soaker hoses is the water emission rate is built into the hose. There is no way to throttle the output to suit your needs unless you turn down the pressure, which starves the far reaches of the hose of water. |
Dig a hole next to or near your Thuja, about the same depth and width as the ball and burlap they came out of.
Fill it with water, let that volume drain out. while the sides are still wet fill again and time(roughly) the amount of time it takes to go dry. That is your percolation rate. You can then adjust the parameters of your drip system (volume, frequency and duration) to provide adequate water for the top 5/6 inches of soil. Deeply water 1-2 a week. Change one parameter at a time. Water at drip line, because the the root tips are where the root hairs actually take up water. (Transpirational pull) |
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Sounds like water pressure high enough to stream water out of the holes? Not what you want. You want to water slow, hence dripping, soaking. When you water too fast it doesn't have time to soak in and you'll have more water running off than going in the ground where you want it. |
FYI: there is some technology involved where the drip holes (emitters) are that ensure equal distribution of water along the entire length of the dripline. Other features include a back flush each watering and prevention of root intrusion.
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Like I said, I have been using drip tubing for many years without any issues. It's the most efficient way to water - when used in the appropriate application.
Many photos in my files showing it's use. Here is a couple from a project of mine way back in 2002. How else would you water this narrow bed? A great visual in this photo showing the wetted soil areas after the system was run a short period of time.... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1679349065.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1679349065.jpg That was just to test the system. Pull out the tubing - then plant - then lay in the tubing along the plantings..... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1679349246.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1679349246.jpg Then add mulch.....my SC photo bombing my shot there.....:p http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1679349246.jpg Boom..... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1679349498.jpg |
Let me try explaining my question this way: Baz says drip volume is the same at every emitter, even along a LONG line. Others say drip volume is uneven. I say that when I chain three soaker hoses together and operate them at a proper low pressure (low enough for them to dribble instead of spray) the last of the three soaker hoses does a poor job of emitting. Most of the water comes out the first of the three hoses. This is why I imagined that a system designed to dribble slowly, despite higher pressure (as I think someone said the Rain Bird system does) would in fact deliver a same or similar volume at the LAST emitter along a 200' line as it delivers at the first emitter.
Somebody said these systems can have fairluy LONG lines with all emitters doing their jobs. I think some pressure would be needed in order to accomplish this. |
Oh....and the so-called irrigation supply place nearby turned out to be somebody's house. I'll drive the 15 miles needed to reach a real, commercial supply house with inventory. Just not today.
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You need a pressure regulator to reduce pressure. https://www.amazon.com/Rain-Bird-PRF07530S-Irrigation-Regulating/dp/B006JZ51MC/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=Irrigation+Pressure+Regulator& qid=1679360470&sr=8-4 |
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Sup, you are way overthinking this.
I use that same hose all over my yard, front beds, side beds, back beds. It's what my landscaping company is standardized on. I don't think I have a single run under 150ft. I've never had an issue with pressure or uneven distribution. |
Heya, there is a local Craigslist ad for several hundred feet of hose in North Seattle......
https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/grd/d/everett-drip-irrigation-line/7601515684.html |
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The biggest problem with arborvitaes is that they are a staple of the deer diet. In urban areas, or fenced yards, after a few years you will have these tiny little arborvitaes popping up all over. Once established, which is very, very easy in even in poor, sandy almost sterile soil even in a subarctic climate, let alone in supplemented black dirt, lightly fertilized with slow release and with regulated water supply, and anywhere south of Minot, ND, they grow and propagate like guppies. |
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I did not sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I would’ve thought as the length of the pipe goes further, you would need to reduce the size of the pipes to keep up the pressure.
Edit. This may have been covered previously. 🤷🏽*♂️ |
I will also add your intention to make the 15 mile trek to the irrigation supplier will pay dividends back in the assistance you will get (in theory - depends on the staff there ;))
One more thing - aside from possibly a filter - depending on your water source - you do not need any other bells and whistles. Just the tubing , maybe a few couplings, and the (round topped) staples. They make a wide variety of drip tube accessories but just for a line of trees you won't need them. You'll also need a way to plumb it to your water source. Maybe get a drip tubing 1/2" male adapter & threaded coupler that converts FPT to FHT (female pipe thread to female hose thread). Then you can screw the drip tubing to the hose that goes between your timer and drip tubing. I hope that makes sense. |
It does make sense, I will get all the guidance available from the irrigation supply place, and I suspect my system will need a pressure regulator. I saw something suggesting they want around 20-30 PSI.
The KISS principle. I'm not going to breathe through this hose on the moons of Jupiter. Tubing, couplers, hose bibb adapter and pressure regulator. As they say in France, "viola!" |
How does this look? My plan is to bring that same line, or another if the system has volume problems, so that two curvy lines are watering all sides of these trees. I also plan to cover all this with a couple inches of coarse mulch. The lines have emitters every 12" which provide 0.4 GPH. A pressure regulator was needed, and a handful of fittings, otherwise this system is mighty simple. The guy at the irrigation place was kinda grumpy but still informative.
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That's gonna be a nice hedge, Supe.
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Deer survive by not decimating the food sources in their environment all at once. In addition, habitat loss forces deer to modify their diets depending on what’s still available. The Sandwicher planted arbs along the road for privacy and to knock down the dust. They grew to 10’ or so. Beautiful, too. 10 years growth or so. Then one morning they were devoid of green from the ground up to about 5’ feet. |
^^^ I think it was 7 or 8 winters back when we had an extended time of zero temps and a thick cover of snow. I woke up one early morning (prob 2 or 3 am) to see 5 deer on their back legs devouring my arborvitae in the yard.
They would grab a mouth full of the green and back up to strip the rest. Over and over. |
If deer are a problem, easy to put up a 7 ft deer fence. Cheap metal poles from tractor supply and about 200 bucks worth of poly fence. Its almost invisible. Did like 400 ft of it between woods and backyard for 500 bucks including college kid labor.
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