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Joe Bob 03-20-2023 07:32 PM

Shingles
 
I just had my second booster shot. Injection site pain. No other side effects.

I never got a COVID......I've seen Shigles...it sucks. :eek:

flatbutt 03-20-2023 07:33 PM

It does. It's like a severe sun burn all over.

masraum 03-20-2023 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 11951789)
It does. It's like a severe sun burn all over.

Until it makes you go permanently blind. Then it's a bit worse than a sun burn.

Yep, I'm 52 and got my shingrix a couple of years ago. Like most shots, no issues other than a bit sore where I was poked. My understanding is that shingrix (or is it shingrex) is better (fewer complications/side effects) than whatever preceded it.

Rick Lee 03-20-2023 07:41 PM

I had shingles four yrs ago. Wasn't nearly as bad as others have had it, but it was unpleasant.

Tobra 03-20-2023 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 11951789)
It does. It's like a severe sun burn all over.

not all over, just one side of your body, but that is bad enough

LWJ 03-20-2023 09:20 PM

Got the shot. Shingles is awful.

Jeff Hail 03-20-2023 10:41 PM

Had it about 12 years ago. It broke out in a two inch circular rash. I had a Dr. Appt the next morning anyhow. Gave me Acyclovir and was dried up in two additional days. Itched a little but by that time was gone. Occurs on the side of the body it went dormant in the nerve most likely when you had Chicken Pox.
Never understood why folks get Shingles vaccines? Varicella Zoster has no cure, is self limiting and does not leave the body. No cure for Chicken Pox why would anyone believe a vaccine is a cure for Shingles. I know so many people that have taken the double boost Shingles vaccine and still got it. Seems the anti-viral may be a better option if you get it.

rwest 03-21-2023 01:34 AM

I just got my second shingles vac and the second Hep B yesterday- one in each arm. Feel no pain on he Hep B arm, but the shingle arm hurts like a mother.

NY65912 03-21-2023 02:54 AM

Getting my second dose next week. I've seen it and it don't look fun.

Chocaholic 03-21-2023 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Hail (Post 11951859)
Had it about 12 years ago. It broke out in a two inch circular rash. I had a Dr. Appt the next morning anyhow. Gave me Acyclovir and was dried up in two additional days. Itched a little but by that time was gone. Occurs on the side of the body it went dormant in the nerve most likely when you had Chicken Pox.
Never understood why folks get Shingles vaccines? Varicella Zoster has no cure, is self limiting and does not leave the body. No cure for Chicken Pox why would anyone believe a vaccine is a cure for Shingles. I know so many people that have taken the double boost Shingles vaccine and still got it. Seems the anti-viral may be a better option if you get it.

I had the same experience. Small area that responded well to acyclovir. Itchy for a few days and that was it. I think the key was to get on acyclovir quickly.

stevej37 03-21-2023 03:29 AM

Hmm...I was planning on getting my first Shingrix shot sometime this week.
I just looked and it says Acyclovir is available over-the-counter.

KFC911 03-21-2023 03:42 AM

Though I've never had a flue vax, I did get both the Shingles and Covid ones a few years ago. Lets face it .... people are different, and both the viruses and vaccines can vary. Some get the Shingles and it's minor and some wish they were dead. Some get Covid and it's minor, and some ended up dead. I've known some of both fwiw for both the viruses and end result. No one I know had side effects from the vaxes.

Higgins had a thread about Shingles back when.... and that got me off my azz :D

stevej37 03-21-2023 03:53 AM

At my last Dr. visit, he strongly recommended the latest covid booster, flu, pneumonia, and shingles shots.
In the last two months I have done all of them except the shingles shot.

masraum 03-21-2023 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Hail (Post 11951859)
Had it about 12 years ago. It broke out in a two inch circular rash. I had a Dr. Appt the next morning anyhow. Gave me Acyclovir and was dried up in two additional days. Itched a little but by that time was gone. Occurs on the side of the body it went dormant in the nerve most likely when you had Chicken Pox.
Never understood why folks get Shingles vaccines? Varicella Zoster has no cure, is self limiting and does not leave the body. No cure for Chicken Pox why would anyone believe a vaccine is a cure for Shingles. I know so many people that have taken the double boost Shingles vaccine and still got it. Seems the anti-viral may be a better option if you get it.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/shingles/symptoms-causes/syc-20353054
(the quote below isn't the entire text of the link above, only an excerpt)
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Shingles isn't life-threatening. But it can be very painful. Vaccines can help lower the risk of shingles. Early treatment may shorten a shingles infection and lessen the chance of complications. The most common complication is postherpetic neuralgia. This is a painful condition that causes shingles pain for a long time after your blisters have cleared.

Pain is usually the first symptom of shingles. For some people, the pain can be intense. Depending on the location of the pain, it can sometimes be mistaken for problems with the heart, lungs or kidneys. Some people experience shingles pain without ever developing the rash.

When to see a doctor

Contact your health care provider as soon as possible if you suspect shingles, especially in the following situations:

The pain and rash occur near an eye. If left untreated, this infection may lead to permanent eye damage.
You're 50 or older. Age increases your risk of complications.
You or someone in your family has a weakened immune system. This may be due to cancer, medications or chronic illness.
The rash is widespread and painful.
https://www.nia.nih.gov/health/shingles

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For some people, the symptoms of shingles are mild. They might just have some itching. For others, shingles can cause intense pain that can be felt from the gentlest touch or breeze.

After the shingles rash goes away, some people may be left with ongoing pain called postherpetic neuralgia, or PHN. The pain is felt in the area where the rash occurred. The older you are when you get shingles, the greater your chances of developing PHN.

The PHN pain can cause depression, anxiety, sleeplessness, and weight loss. Some people with PHN find it hard to go about their daily activities, such as dressing, cooking, and eating. Talk with your doctor if you are experiencing PHN or have any of these symptoms. Usually, PHN will lessen over time.

The current shingles vaccine (brand name Shingrix) is a safe, easy, and more effective way to prevent shingles than the previous vaccine. In fact, it is over 90% effective at preventing shingles. Most adults age 50 and older should get vaccinated with the shingles vaccine, which is given in two doses. You can get the shingles vaccine at your doctor’s office and at some pharmacies.
https://www.healthline.com/health/senior-health/shingles-elderly

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For younger people, a bout of shingles often resolves within a few weeks with a low risk of ongoing problems. That’s not true for many older adults, who can face life threatening complications, even after the rash itself has cleared.

Some of the more serious complications that affect older people include:
Post-herpetic neuralgia (PHN)

Perhaps the most severe shingles complication, post-herpetic neuralgia (PHN) is much more likely to affect older people who develop shingles. It’s a major contributor to disability later in life, according to a study from 2009.

PHN is long-term nerve pain in the area where the rash first appeared. The CDC estimates that between 10 and 18 percent of people with shingles go on to have PHN.
Vision loss

If shingles develops near an eye, early treatment is vital. Shingles in the eye is called ophthalmic herpes zoster, and it can cause scarring and vision loss. About 10 to 20 percent of all shingles cases involve one or both eyes.
Stroke

A 2014 study found that older adults with shingles face an increased risk for stroke for at least 6 months after their diagnosis and a more than threefold risk of stroke if they develop ophthalmic herpes zoster.

The risk for stroke was lower among individuals who were treated with antiviral medications compared to those who received no treatment.
Dementia

The same kind of vascular damage that can disrupt blood flow to the brain and cause a stroke can also affect brain function in a different way. Shingles raises the chance of inflammation of the arteries supplying blood to the brain, which in turn increases the odds of dementia.

A 2017 study found that, after accounting for heart disease and other medical conditions or factors that could affect dementia risk, older adults with shingles of the eye has a nearly threefold greater risk for dementia compared to their peers without shingles.
Death

It’s rare for shingles to directly lead to death. The CDC reports that shingles can be considered the direct underlying cause of death in less than one person per 1 million people in the general population.

While shingles itself isn’t usually a deadly disease, it can lead to conditions such as pneumonia and encephalitis, which can be fatal. This is particularly true for older people whose immune systems have been compromised by treatments for illnesses such as AIDS and cancer.
The chances of having the major complications may be low, and the vaccine may not be a cure, but if it's 90% effective...

And it's probably not quite as dangerous for the average person in good health in their 50s, but when you get into your 60s, 70s, or even 80s, and your body is weakening and slowing down (including your immune system) a lot, my guess is that the chances for more serious issues start really ramping up.

I'm game for a vaccine that reduces my chance of shingles.

masraum 03-21-2023 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11951893)
Hmm...I was planning on getting my first Shingrix shot sometime this week.
I just looked and it says Acyclovir is available over-the-counter.

acyclovir can help once you get shingles. according to the stuff that I posted, if you believe it, the vaccine is 90% effective at preventing it.

maybe never get it vs it was only painful for a few days. (that's assuming you get a mild case and don't end up with any of the more severe or permanent issues)

GH85Carrera 03-21-2023 05:09 AM

I got the single dose shingles shot many years ago. Then the doctor said the new two shot vaccine is the thing to get, so I did.

A couple of years ago I had a very sore area on my stomach, next to my navel, about the size of my hand. It was weird in that the sheet touching it was painful, yet if I laid my hand on the area it did not really hurt.

There was no rash or evidence of anything on the surface. I saw my doctor and he said sometimes shingles can be under the skin, and on the dermis layer. It was several months of discomfort, but not too bad. The Doc speculated the vaccine has spared me a severe shingles attack.

My mom got shingles, and she said it was at least twice as painful as childbirth. I sure don't want that pain.

Bugsinrugs 03-21-2023 05:43 AM

I had shingles in my twenties and it was miserable. I get all the shots, flu , shingles, Covid etc. I haven’t had a cold in three years. Maybe it’s because I’m still anti social.

Chocaholic 03-21-2023 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11951893)
Hmm...I was planning on getting my first Shingrix shot sometime this week.
I just looked and it says Acyclovir is available over-the-counter.

If available OTC, it would be worth having it in the house. These days it can take weeks or more to get in to see a GP.

The question that remains unclear is if you’ve had shingles once, how helpful is a vaccine? I’ve read a variety of responses.

runner4fun 03-21-2023 07:08 AM

At the risk of controversy, I believe in vaccines and had the new dual dose shingles vaccine. It was never a question whether to get the vaccine. Also have had all flu and Covid vaccines and boosters and never had Covid. A friend had shingles and that is something I never want to experience. It put him out of commission for a few months.

Zeke 03-21-2023 08:15 AM

My wife and 2 friends had shingles shots. All 3 got shingles within 2 weeks.

Did you know there's internal shingles? That's what my wife got. That really sucks. Took her 6 months to feel sorta normal but hasn't been as healthy since. 5 years now.

No Covid for either one of us. Glad for that. It would have killed her. We still wear masks.

stevej37 03-21-2023 08:23 AM

Just now back from getting my first of two shingrix shots.
Patient consent form took 10 times longer to fill out than getting the shot.:)

Second one only after two months and less than four months.

Superman 03-21-2023 11:29 AM

When I need information on irrigation systems, I go to the irrigation guys. I think most smart people would.

And yet, I know of people who are so smart that they regularly out-think the medical community. I am not one of those people. I did the Shingrix, Flu and Covid booster during the past several months.

upsscott 03-21-2023 11:44 AM

I went to the doctor because I had flu like symptoms and a sore above my ear that wasn’t healing normally. I knew when my doc said in his own words “Oh man, it sucks to be you” that I was in for it. Never felt pain like that before. It was like someone was constantly driving nails into the side of my head. Shingles sucks.

stevej37 03-21-2023 12:12 PM

^^^ How long did it last and what did the Dr. give you?

Deschodt 03-21-2023 12:15 PM

Got Shingles like 15y ago, unpleasant ! Whenever I'm (more) stressed out (than usual), the effing thing tries to come back, same spot, I can feel it trying, if you had it you know how it feels under the skin... One time I even got the antiviral meds just in case, to nip it in the bud. So yeah, not messing around with this, got the 2 shots last year - totally worth it ! I'd get them each year if necessary !!! That's how much I never want shingles again ! (and also I need to chill)

masraum 03-21-2023 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11952414)
^^^ How long did it last and what did the Dr. give you?

Dr gave him a prognosis of a really crappy period ahead. :eek:

I think that if "sucks to be you" is the best your Drs got for you, that can't be good.

I knew some folks that were in their late teens (HS Senior or first year or two of college) that had it. They were in excruciating pain (wearing a shirt or being under a sheet in bed was almost too much). I've heard here and from some folks at work that have had it as older folks. Most of what I hear is that the pain is REALLY bad.

I don't like pain. I've always tried to avoid it when and as much as possible. I got the vaccine.

And when you're older, the possibilities for long term or permanent or more serious complications go up. I've always been pretty darn healthy. I don't get sick often, don't have many medical issues, etc.... I'm trying to keep it that way.

stevej37 03-21-2023 12:25 PM

I know a guy (a farmer that worked manual labor his whole life) that had it in his 70's and he told me that it was the worst pain that he ever had.

masraum 03-21-2023 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11952432)
I know a guy (a farmer that worked manual labor his whole life) that had it in his 70's and he told me that it was the worst pain that he ever had.

Yep, in the grand scheme of things, I haven't had to deal with much physical pain in my life. I'm not looking to radically change my bell curve or set any new records.

flatbutt 03-21-2023 12:41 PM

I had that PHN crap for months after the infection passed.

Jeff Higgins 03-21-2023 01:27 PM

Yeah, I had a thread about this after I recovered from it. I essentially had no rash, just a wee tiny one that I could not even feel on my right bicep.

The ensuing nerve pain, however, I would not wish on anyone. I think most of us have had a tooth numbed prior to dental work. That pain when that infernal little needle first finds the nerve at the root of your tooth? Imagine that level of pain, running all the way from your earlobe all the way down your arm and into your thumb and forefinger. 24/7, unremitting, position or activity insensitive, without relief. For two months.

Impossible to sleep through the pain. Eventually, after two, three days, your body finally shuts down in spite of the pain and you "sleep". For maybe an hour or two, if you're lucky. Then the cycle starts anew. NOTHING the medical community has to offer even begins to touch the pain.

If I remember correctly, "only" about 16% of those who contract shingles experience the nerve pain component of it to this degree. Most folks will get over this part of it in "only" a couple of months. A couple of months. We're the ones that get off "easy". Some go for a full year. The next "gateway" after that is two years. If it does not resolve by then, it can be a life sentence. Many of those given that news simply choose to end it. I was, in all honesty, ready to do that after "only" two months.

There is simply no way to describe to another human who has not experienced this what this level of pain, unrelenting pain, is like. I lived through it, and it seems kind of surreal to me at this point. Did I really do that? Is that even possible? It all seems like such a dramatization, so overblown and exaggerated. Believe me, it's not.

And, yes, the vaccine will lessen the symptoms should you be unlucky enough to contract shingles. I was not vaccinated when I went through this. I am now...

masraum 03-21-2023 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 11952475)
Yeah, I had a thread about this after I recovered from it. I essentially had no rash, just a wee tiny one that I could not even feel on my right bicep.

The ensuing nerve pain, however, I would not wish on anyone. I think most of us have had a tooth numbed prior to dental work. That pain when that infernal little needle first finds the nerve at the root of your tooth? Imagine that level of pain, running all the way from your earlobe all the way down your arm and into your thumb and forefinger. 24/7, unremitting, position or activity insensitive, without relief. For two months.

Impossible to sleep through the pain. Eventually, after two, three days, your body finally shuts down in spite of the pain and you "sleep". For maybe an hour or two, if you're lucky. Then the cycle starts anew. NOTHING the medical community has to offer even begins to touch the pain.

If I remember correctly, "only" about 16% of those who contract shingles experience the nerve pain component of it to this degree. Most folks will get over this part of it in "only" a couple of months. A couple of months. We're the ones that get off "easy". Some go for a full year. The next "gateway" after that is two years. If it does not resolve by then, it can be a life sentence. Many of those given that news simply choose to end it. I was, in all honesty, ready to do that after "only" two months.

There is simply no way to describe to another human who has not experienced this what this level of pain, unrelenting pain, is like. I lived through it, and it seems kind of surreal to me at this point. Did I really do that? Is that even possible? It all seems like such a dramatization, so overblown and exaggerated. Believe me, it's not.

And, yes, the vaccine will lessen the symptoms should you be unlucky enough to contract shingles. I was not vaccinated when I went through this. I am now...


So you're saying "it's no big deal, don't worry about it"?

stevej37 03-21-2023 01:49 PM

I have two siblings that are older than me.
I always compare what they encounter (health-wise) to my life.

They are in their mid 70's and no problems with their health.
I'm good to go. :)

upsscott 03-21-2023 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11952414)
^^^ How long did it last and what did the Dr. give you?


I didn’t see improvement for two weeks. They gave me a couple of drugs, an antibiotic, and something else I don’t remember, and oh yeah, a butt ton of Vicodin which didn’t even touch the pain.

upsscott 03-21-2023 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Deschodt (Post 11952420)
Got Shingles like 15y ago, unpleasant ! Whenever I'm (more) stressed out (than usual), the effing thing tries to come back, same spot, I can feel it trying, if you had it you know how it feels under the skin... One time I even got the antiviral meds just in case, to nip it in the bud. So yeah, not messing around with this, got the 2 shots last year - totally worth it ! I'd get them each year if necessary !!! That's how much I never want shingles again ! (and also I need to chill)


When I got the shingles I was racing Mountain Bikes and training every night after working 10 hours. The doctor said that my immune system was just run into the ground from fatigue. The first sore started right where the strap of my helmet came down around my ear. I thought it was just a wear sore but it wouldn’t go away. Then I got flu like symptoms and my training partner, who is a heart surgeon told me to get to my doctor.

ramonesfreak 03-21-2023 07:00 PM

Had it on my head and down my face below my eye and had nerve issues for 10 years until it finally resolved. I have a script for the vaccine and just need to get it done


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