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stevej37 03-27-2023 07:11 AM

Question about a gun sight
 
Looking at buying a sight/scope for my older 22 rifle.
The one I'm looking at states that it can only be used with 'picatinny rails'

I'm not sure if that means what I already have? Or do I need an adapter?
The pic shows one of the two parallel grooves in the barrel....are they the rails?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1679929812.jpg

Flat Six 03-27-2023 07:37 AM

Steve, most .22 rifles like yours have a grooved receiver. Those will accept 11mm scope rings that clamp onto the dovetail formed by those two grooves.

If the scope you're considering is like most (scope w/separate rings that attach to rifle), it probably comes with rings that mount to a Picatinny rail (different dimensions than the grooves on your .22). If so you have a couple of options: 1) buy the scope and buy new 11mm rings to mount to your .22 or 2) buy a dovetail-to-Picatinny adapter, which will mount between your rifle's grooves and the rings of the scope you're interested in.

I'd choose option 1, mostly because it'll keep your scope height closer to the axis of the rifle bore and you may not need a cheek riser to keep your eye in line w/your scope.

Hope this helps.

stevej37 03-27-2023 07:45 AM

Thanks for the info.
It looks then like I will need to visit a gun dealer. (the closest one is an hour away)
This is the scope....

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00200E0HM?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_detail s

Flat Six 03-27-2023 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11957241)
Thanks for the info.
It looks then like I will need to visit a gun dealer. (the closest one is an hour away)
This is the scope....

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00200E0HM?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_detail s

If you haven't already purchased your sight, there are lots of red dot sights on Amazon w/11mm mounts.

If you already have it, there are plenty of low profile adapters, too:

https://www.amazon.com/Higoo-Dovetail-Picatinny-Adaptor-Holographic/dp/B08XY39PDC/ref=sr_1_6?crid=17VEUCWI9FKWE&keywords=11mm+doveta il+to+picatinny+adapter&qid=1679932240&s=sporting-goods&sprefix=11mm%2Csporting%2C128&sr=1-6

https://www.amazon.com/Higoo-Dovetail-Picatinny-Weaver-Adaptor/dp/B08R8BFL6S/ref=sr_1_8?crid=17VEUCWI9FKWE&keywords=11mm+doveta il+to+picatinny+adapter&qid=1679932240&s=sporting-goods&sprefix=11mm%2Csporting%2C128&sr=1-8

stevej37 03-27-2023 07:53 AM

I just did a search on Amazon for your #2 suggestion
They have them for a low price....any suggestion of which would be best?
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=dovetail-to-Picatinny+adapter&crid=192WOGUDS9P9R&sprefix=dovet ail-to-picatinny+adapter%2Caps%2C132&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Thanks

stevej37 03-27-2023 07:56 AM

I posted while you were posting.
Thanks for the links. I'll prob go with the second one....looks less bulky.

It will work with the red dot scope I linked? Just want to be sure.

LEAKYSEALS951 03-27-2023 08:01 AM

Did a varmit chase you on the bike ride? :)

I did a quick search on red dot optics- looks like there are some that attach directly into 11mm rails, and you could forgo the picatinny. That is a potential problem with needing to raise the comb on the stock, but probably not a real big deal with the red dot, compared to a scope.

Also- personal preference, I recently went with green dot instead of red dot. Seems clearer in my eyesight. If you can drop by a gun store, might want to try both. Some people prefer one or the other.

stevej37 03-27-2023 08:08 AM

^^^
Well...the one I linked (red dot) is already on the way. I ordered it last night and this am read about it needing Picatinny Rails.

If I carry any weapon on my bike...It will be a 2 foot piece of re-bar. Getting tired of dogs going for my ankles.

LEAKYSEALS951 03-27-2023 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11957268)
^^^
Well...the one I linked (red dot) is already on the way. I ordered it last night and this am read about it needing Picatinny Rails.

If I carry any weapon on my bike...It will be a 2 foot piece of re-bar. Getting tired of dogs going for my ankles.

Aha!!! I see. ;) You should be fine.
(with the sight... the dogs on the other hand...)

Flat Six 03-27-2023 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11957252)
I posted while you were posting.
Thanks for the links. I'll prob go with the second one....looks less bulky.

It will work with the red dot scope I linked? Just want to be sure.

Yep, should work fine. If you want some reassurance, you might measure the width of the dovetail on your rifle.

stevej37 03-27-2023 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flat Six (Post 11957270)
Yep, should work fine. If you want some reassurance, you might measure the width of the dovetail on your rifle.

Just did that...11.8 mm from the top edges. Should fit...ordered it.

I'll post when it comes tomorrow.:)

Bill Douglas 03-27-2023 09:15 AM

Steve, a sight that would be good on that gun is one of those ones with a little round hole as a foresight and a blade at the end of the barrel. Sort of period correct for the gun.

Maybe google peep site and see what you think.

stevej37 03-27-2023 09:28 AM

^^^ As like one of these?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...VnFMA&usqp=CAU

It would have to work with the blade that is on the end of the rifle already. It looks like it's permanently attached.

I might try one if this red dot doesn't work out.

The rifle is a late 50's Sears .22 semi-automatic. My father bought it for me when I was 8 years old.
Works perfect...except it doesn't want to auto-eject when using shorts. Longs work great.

Bill Douglas 03-27-2023 10:36 AM

Haha, I was trying to trick you into googling peep site instead of peep sight but you are too smart for me LOL

stevej37 03-27-2023 10:56 AM

^^^ lol..I googled 'pics of rifle peep sights' without thinking.

Kudos to my K thru 5th grade teacher, Mrs. Southland...she was a stickler for spelling and cursive handwriting. :)
(peep sites weren't around then...she would have died then, if they did)

Bill Douglas 03-27-2023 11:07 AM

LOL


The guys at gun club were talking about peep sights and I pretended I knew what they were talking about. When I got home I googled it, and not having had Mrs. Southlands help, I spelt it wrong. Right when GF walked into the room and said "What the f* are you looking at?" Ummm, unfortunate timing.

stevej37 03-27-2023 12:02 PM

Prime truck dropped off the red dot.
Tried it and it wouldn't attach...def needs the adapter. (which will be here tomorrow)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1679947221.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1679947296.jpg

Zeke 03-28-2023 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11957268)
^^^
Well...the one I linked (red dot) is already on the way. I ordered it last night and this am read about it needing Picatinny Rails.

If I carry any weapon on my bike...It will be a 2 foot piece of re-bar. Getting tired of dogs going for my ankles.

I have this:

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-99kn...300824.jpg?c=1

It's an Irish Blackthorn cane. Very light and very strong. Think carbon fiber strong. The cut down thorn bumps on the thing will shred skin. It's literally a lethal weapon in the hands of an expert but an amateur can wield it well enough.

stevej37 03-28-2023 11:30 AM

^^^ That would prob be better than re-bar.
I'm afraid re-bar might kill the dog.
Either one...there is danger of it bouncing off the dogs head and going into my spokes.:D

stevej37 03-28-2023 11:37 AM

The adapter rails came today. Everything fitted up perfectly.
Now, all that's left is the sighting in. I have my 5 year old laser borescope ready for that.
pics of both.....

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1680032111.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1680032166.jpg

stevej37 03-28-2023 01:55 PM

Also...thanks to Flat Six for guiding me in the right direction.

Flat Six 03-29-2023 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11958562)
Also...thanks to Flat Six for guiding me in the right direction.

NP, glad it's working out

stevej37 03-29-2023 06:10 AM

I was planning on sighting it in today....except it's snowing and windy. The ground is covered already.

The good thing is that with the borescope, I don't shoot the gun.
I have a slider window with a tree about 30ft away that I could use, but the wind drops the temp inside quickly with it open.
I might just sight it in inside from the dining room to the other side of the living room....about 28 feet max. for now.

stevej37 03-29-2023 09:37 AM

Did it indoors.
The red dot was off about 5 inches from the borescope red dot.
Turned both adjustments until the dots were one...it's done.

I may do it again outside when it dries out. Most shots will be a little longer than 28 feet.

Flat Six 03-29-2023 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11959270)
Did it indoors.
The red dot was off about 5 inches from the borescope red dot.
Turned both adjustments until the dots were one...it's done.

I may do it again outside when it dries out. Most shots will be a little longer than 28 feet.

Cool! I really like the laser boresight to get you 'on paper'. Be prepared, though, to have to adjust your red dot up once you test fire because of the parallax caused by sight height vs. bore center. I'm guessing with your initial adjustment you'll shoot about 1.5" high at 50 yds.

stevej37 03-29-2023 09:57 AM

Yeah, I will need to figure at least 25-30 yards for most shots. I will need outdoors for that adjusting.
My yard has is becoming over-run with the little red squirrels. Their body length is only about 4 inches...so they are hard to hit. And they only sit still for about 2 seconds at a time, so the shot has to be taken quick. I've tried many times to live trap them....they won't go in.

Zeke 03-30-2023 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11959296)
Yeah, I will need to figure at least 25-30 yards for most shots. I will need outdoors for that adjusting.
My yard has is becoming over-run with the little red squirrels. Their body length is only about 4 inches...so they are hard to hit. And they only sit still for about 2 seconds at a time, so the shot has to be taken quick. I've tried many times to live trap them....they won't go in.

I'm having a problem with rats in the attic. It's a new problem of maybe 2 months. Not incidentally did the next door neighbor lose the house to foreclosure and renovations started.

So, I get to read up on getting rats. I set 9 spring snap traps. Nothing. They are wise to the Levi's. I learned that you set traps out not set to trap. Let them get comfortable with a free meal


Then set the traps active.

stevej37 03-30-2023 04:31 PM

^^^ If you have no luck with traps....I would suggest these bars. Break a whole one up into about 8 diff chunks and place them along the edges of the attic. Doesn't take much for them to eat before they die.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/...1dUDY3iNqL.jpg


The red squirrels here have a plentiful supply of food from the nut trees in my yard, so bait doesn't work. They build nests in any knot hole in the trees and then chew the tree up until it rots out. There are a couple trees that when I walk past, I hear the sound of families of the small squirrels squeeling.

stevej37 03-31-2023 11:42 AM

First chance to use the red-dot 'live' today. It rained all morning bringing out the red squirrels.

I'll spare the details....some don't like them.
The target was at least 50 feet away and 2"X4". The red dot was super easy to settle on it's spot.

Perfect results! Highly recommend the scope.

Bill Douglas 03-31-2023 12:08 PM

Excellent.

stevej37 03-31-2023 12:16 PM

^^^ Thanks!

I'm not sure how good it will work with zombies....a red dot might be the wrong color. :)

Bill Douglas 03-31-2023 12:31 PM

Yeah, darn zombies. they get us every time :(


Joke: I heard an intruder break into the house so I chambered a round in the .45, put the red dot on the bad guy's forehead, then let the cat do the rest.


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