Explain to me overnight parking.
 

Yes this has to do with my HOA and my candidacy.

It's a hot topic for our community and I'm sure we will need to deal with it.

Basically our covenants prohibit street parking but only between 10pm and 7am, overnight, and for more than 5 days in a month whether consecutive days or not.

What I don't get is the overnight only restriction. We are talking about a time period were virtually no one is out and about driving around so the common safety complaints about street parking don't really make a lot of sense.

We are a semi rural area, there is no overnight activity like street cleaning, sanitation services coming through, nothing happening that street parking would interfere with.

I've looked around and tried to find some justification for it but come up short.

I feel like it's something the original developer tossed in there for ****s and giggles and never really gave it much thought.

Can anyone think of / know of a good reason for it that makes sense?

You are taking HOA rules and covenants and trying to apply logic and common sense . You sir are doomed 😁 .

When we lived in our Orlando house the HOA's rules were meant to stop commercial vehicles from overnight parking . A commercial vehicle was anything that had advertising on the exterior .

At a HOA meeting I asked a simple question . If the commercial signs on the outside of the vehicle were covered up would the vehicle be allowed to park overnight . After some hemming and hawwing the answer was yes .

Within a few days everyone that lived in the community with commercial vehicles had blank magnetic signs to go over the real signs . How ridiculous to have to do that . I never lived in a HOA community again . Good luck .

A hot topic ... your candidacy ... a HOA ... overnight parking police .... ???

I got nuthin'....

Mebbe it's to prevent college keg parties and orgies from invading yer 'hood?

It's a bad rule :D

If it's the will of the homeowners..it can probably be changed. HOA are irrational and run by tyrants in general, but never underestimate the potential stupidity of "that one guy" who decides to work on 'friend's cars' and leaves a half dozen in the street. Or that company that parks a billboard truck in the street. And then everyone wants that rule back the next week. YMMV of course. Talk to people and take the soft approach. Maybe permit exceptions can be made or some other thing that doesn't affect the general community and what the intention of it covers.

My guess is that it's a way to keep people from having 6 cars where several are parked on the street over night clogging the roads. You know, family with 2-3 kids or Billy Bob with 2 cars, a truck, a hot rod an a boat, etc....

Or maybe even folks having a party/get together where half a dozen folks spend the night.

It sounds like a great place...

...to move away from.

First of all, you have my vote.

Second, you have my condolences when, not if, you are elected.

They will be lucky to have you.

Just keep your f’ing off the street. :cool:

Doesn't the 10PM to 7AM restriction make overnight redundant? Basically you can't park on the street between 10PM and 7AM.

Now if you want to remove both restrictions, I would agree, as long as you keep the no more than 5 days total in a month or 3 consecutive days. Though with people working from home more these days, I'd be a bit more generous, like 10 and 7. Anything that is deemed a safety hazard is disallowed, though this last part I admit is open to interpretation. We've got a few here that are dilapidated or leaking oil and someone always calls them in. No I'm not part of the HOA but I do cringe when there's some car with cobwebs forming.

This makes the most sense to me.

Having no overnight parking makes it super easy to spot abandoned vehicles and prowlers.

The congestion part does not compute, parking is not restricted during the most active parts of the day. Can park all you want on the streets from 7AM to 10PM.

I have 5 cars, 7 when the kids are home from school. The average home here has 4 cars.

Just had a thought though, maybe it's intended to prevent a car being parked and never moving?

As in long term storing a car on the street.

Only thing that makes sense.

Personally, I like that. Parents moved out of LA and did some growing up in a city that has no over night parking. Easy to spot the unwanted visitors but that was 2-6am. Residents can pay 11 bucks for a 3 or 4 day permit to park on the street. Believe me, the WILL spot your car and give you a nice ticket.

Raised in a city with no overnight parking, easy for the police to see that something is up. I think it makes the neighborhood look better. No broken-down vehicles covered in dirt.
Sorry, but I am for it.

What city is that? Many of the cities east of LA still enforce no overnight parking. I hope they keep it that way.

So who enforces this and how are tickets/fines issued? Placed upon the car or the house they are parked in front of? Pizza delivery at 10:15 .... yeah .... I know... but...

Barney Fife would love this...

Citizen's arrest ..... citizen's arrest :D

Please pick-up all used condoms when leaving.

There is one city near me, Nichols Hills, OK that prohibits ANY pickup to park at night, even a new $100,000 personal truck, even in their own driveway!

The pickups must be in the garage, or hidden in the back of the house. And it is a police enforced ordinance in the city charter.

We live in a small neighborhood that specifies a single family residence only. No parking on the streets at all overnight except occasional guests, not the residents. On my street, no one parks the cars on the street. Either they are in the driveway or in the garage.

No boats or trailers allowed, except for short term to get ready to go to the lake, type of thing.

It sure makes the neighborhood look nice without cars parked in the streets. All of our cars in in the garage if we are home.

It's control. Any other argument is stupid.

I don't think it is just that. How would you like to have your neighbor's RV or boat or trailer park in front of your house week after week. Out here, it happens so often only because space is limited (that's not the LA I grew up in BTW) due to having so many people living on top of each other in a certain part of the city. I understand the need to have such rules for those that don't have 9 cars and slam their RV in front of someone's house. Most people are good and respectful of other's space then there's always one house, that one family that take advantage of the situation. There are so many of these thread from the past here.

^^^^ This. For every extreme example given, there is always a perfectly OK example to do so ... imho. My neighbor will park his 150K RV in his driveway for a day or two before using it on a weekend on occasion.... his 100K truck is then on the street during that time. Not hurting a damn soul but mebbe some hand wringing ninnies. He'll also have a get together a couple times a year .... a half-dozen cars parked on the street until 1-2 am. To each their own way .... a HOA ain't mine :(.

And it's never been a problem either .... different strokes....

Im sure its just to keep people from regularly parking in the street in general. It is untidy. During the day its allowed because it is often nessesary. And the hoa people are probably drinkers they want the way clear so they dont have an accident on the way home from the bar.

Maybe it depends on the width of the street? When you have one car parked on the street, it's no problem going around it. I've driven in some neighborhoods where they're parked on both sides of the street and two way traffic does not work. It's not a pretty sight. I wonder how a firetruck would get through sometimes.

That said, HOA's can suck the oxygen out of the room.

HOAs are probably a lot like Timeshares....

They might be fine for some folks.... just not for me.

If you ever park your RV on the street, then you get it tow but if you are homeless, with a rabid dog, a bunch of disgusting trash along with the mattress, tent and are strung out on drugs or alcohol, then you get a free pass. I say burn all the siht to the ground. Now that's only part of LA. In some areas, park your car there for 5-10 over the time limit or without a permit, get ready to get tickets. Permit requirement is to eliminate having parking taken away from residents.

Claremont

You could always call the PD for special situations, prepping for a trip or guests staying over. You just had to call the PD and let them know.

I didn't like the tickets I received as a teenager for forgetting to put my car in the driveway, as an adult I like the rule.

My neighborhood streets are plenty wide.... tho' not many park on the street, there's room for cars on both sides while not impeding traffic.

I think back to when I had my bass boat .... didn't keep it at my house for many of the 25+ years, but if I were going fishing at dawn, I'd have the boat hooked up, parked both on the street and ready to pull out at 4 am.

All guests must leave by 10 pm if parked on the street? Gimme a freakin break .... utter stoopidity that SM is becoming engaged with imo.

I look forward to lots of similar threads fwiw ;)

I can't even imagine owning a home somewhere with rules about how many and where I park my vehicles. I grew up in a rural area and I live in one now. Shoot guns, ride dirt bikes, atvs, snowmobiles, airplanes, park inside or outside, have campfires, fish in pond etc..... I don't know how you guys do it living in urban settings.

City people are weird… that is all.

A better rule would make it illegal to post anything about HOA's on PPOT 24/7.

I lived across the street from that guy in Hawaii. On weekends he basically ran a Jeep repair/upgrade shop from his garage. Holiday weekends were the worst. He would start the grinding/welding around 8am and it continued, along with the radio, until sun down for the entire 3 days.

Wouldn't have been so bad but w/o AC you must have the windows open to catch the cool ocean breeze.

I'm sure he was a nice enough guy but honestly, he gave not one concern for his neighbors and what he was putting them through.

No overnight parking sounds like a way to prevent people from having parties at night. If the cars don't fit in the driveway then it's too big a party to go past 10pm, I guess. I wouldn't mind that for my neighbors a couple houses down.

Then again, almost everyone on my street uses overnight parking for one reason or another, just not enough garage and driveway space, and the driveways are only one car wide (very sad). I'd be happy with an ordnance against long term parking in the street, but it hasn't really been a problem.

My new neighbor 2 doors down .... with the RV and expensive truck has had 2 NYEve parties with 5-6 cars parked in the street until 1-2 am .... 10 pm curfew ..... nah :D!

In college, the keg parties didn't start until 2 am ;)

My former longtime g/f always parked in the street when visiting, as do all guests staying overnight at my house too.

Hell .... I don't even have 5 cars, but the driveway is full :)

Just to clear up a couple of things.

Daytime street parking is not prohibited or restricted in any way.

Overnight parking is restricted, not necessarily prohibited.

A violation of the covenant only occurs if a vehicle is parked adjacent to a structure for 5 nights in a month. So that could be 5 nights in a row or once every 6 days.

So it's not meant to be a traffic control or security measure which is what's always had me confused, it seemed to serve no real purpose other than what I've just come to, to prevent people "storing" cars on the street because that doesn't look nice.

At my old sub 1,000 square foot bachelor pad starter house most of the houses in the neighborhood had converted the garage into living space. I was one of the rare houses with a garage, a small single car garage.

My neighbors had one single driveway, and they parked the multiple cars in front of their house, and in front of mine. My guest rarely could find a place to park, except in my driveway. I had asked them nicely to leave the spot in front of my house open for my friends to use when visiting me, but they never did.

One of my friends had a Cadillac project car, that he bought and was mostly going to be a parts car. It was tagged and ran, but not well. I had him bring it over, and parked it in front of my house one day when the neighbors were at work. Shortly after that I saw a rare event, the spot in front of their house was open, so I parked it there. Perfect.

The neighbors were not about to call the cops, as they had all their junky cars parked in the neighborhood. They finally asked if I knew anything about it. I said I was storing it for a buddy.

They asked me to move it, and I used their line they gave me when I asked them to move their car, it is a public street, and open parking, and convenient for me.

They finally agreed they would not park in front of my house except for short term and not all night. I took the project car back to my buddy.

It took that to get them to understand parking on the street. They finally choked up the money to have their driveway widened to two cars wide and solved their problem, and my problem.

Our HOA has the same rule, but it is unenforceable because the streets are public.

You and I both.

I was sorta wondering about this aspect too...

We are unincorporated.

We are our government.

The community is run by a Fresh Water Improvement District which is a board made up of elected residents. It runs and manages all municipal functions / infrastructure. They are separate from but work in tandem with the HAO. Think of it as The House, The Senate, and our management company is Executive.

Back in the day we had the neighboring towns POPO practicing aggressive revenue generation in the community.

Stupid stuff like 1 mph over a posted limit or not coming to a full stop at stop signs even if you did. They’d say “it didn’t look like a full stop” which led to “The Lantana Bounce”. To avoid tickets you had to stop in a way that caused obvious nose dive and settling after.

One day someone figured out that none of the tickets were enforceable, the towns that issued them had no legal way to enforce the payment or collection of fines but they could accept “donations”.

Residents started tearing up tickets on the spot suggesting the cops go f themselves.

Once “donations” dropped the cops just stopped showing up because it was no longer profitable.

Well now that all traffic signage was effectively nothing more than “a recommendation” the place turned into the Indy 500.

To get things back under control we had to cede enforcement powers to the County Sheriff which required us getting signatures from 50% + of the residents which meant going door to door for months until we had enough.

So long story short, while the roads / streets are technically public they are public roads owned by our effectively private government.

It’s a weird structure anywhere else but not all that uncommon here.

Takes a while to wrap your head around it.

On the flip side there is an extensive condo neighborhood with parking on both sides of the street. Plus small hills. Only room for one car at a time to get through. People at the back have to drive 1/4mi to get to the main drag. Drove through there during the winter on icy pavement and said 'nope'.