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Paul_Heery 06-14-2023 12:23 AM

Hackers can steal cryptographic keys by video-recording power LEDs 60 feet away
 
Just when you thought certain things were secure, some smart people prove you wrong.

Researchers have devised a novel attack that recovers the secret encryption keys stored in smart cards and smartphones by using cameras in iPhones or commercial surveillance systems to video record power LEDs that show when the card reader or smartphone is turned on.

Full explanation from Ars here: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/06/hackers-can-steal-cryptographic-keys-by-video-recording-connected-power-leds-60-feet-away/

But, this video done by the researchers explains things simply and clearly.
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stomachmonkey 06-14-2023 04:57 AM

Cool but something i would lose less than zero sleep over.

masraum 06-14-2023 06:46 AM

That's super cool and impressive. Not going to be an issue against us, but will probably be used by or against govts or possibly companies or maybe very specific targets. Granted, in most circumstances, this is probably one of the harder ways to get access/info.

john70t 06-14-2023 06:55 AM

There are scammers that walk around public places with RFID sniffers for credit cards.

I'm now putting my car keys in a double aluminum fold at night to prevent 'man in middle' unlocking/activation.

My understanding is every car after 2014 with the 'shark fin' antenna has remote tracking with altering vehicle systems/operations.
Not sure why this isn't disclosed and illegal....
It seems like Subaru disabled this, at least in Massachusetts.
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/06/feds-tell-automakers-not-to-comply-with-mass-right-to-repair-law/

flatbutt 06-14-2023 03:21 PM

:confused:

Maybe my next degree should be in electronics.

:confused:

Por_sha911 06-14-2023 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 12023309)
:confused:
Maybe my next degree should be in electronics.
:confused:

Or certainly the one after that

VenezianBlau 87 06-15-2023 12:21 PM

Wait till AI becomes predictive to the point of causing (or allowing) desired outcomes.

stomachmonkey 06-15-2023 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 12022787)
There are scammers that walk around public places with RFID sniffers for credit cards.

Get Apple Pay.

Use it everywhere you can.

Phone and watch contactless pay is a unique string every single transaction and is only valid for the current transaction.

Won't matter if it's ever sniffable, anything you'd get would be useless before the person walks away from the register.

masraum 06-15-2023 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 12024047)
Get Apple Pay.

Use it everywhere you can.

Phone and watch contactless pay is a unique string every single transaction and is only valid for the current transaction.

Won't matter if it's ever sniffable, anything you'd get would be useless before the person walks away from the register.

Plus it's so darn easy and convenient. I love it at gas stations, but it's great everywhere that it works.

mjohnson 06-16-2023 01:38 PM

While I'm not any kind of a hacker, nor do I work elsewhere in the business - but when I was doing vulnerability assessments for some "interesting" parts of our US strategic defense stockpile we took a completely unclassified weeklong course from Joe Grand, one of Bunnie Huang's disciples. I'm only a simple country metallurgist by training (i.o.w. not a sparky) but at the end of the week I, and my colleagues, all agreed that we want to go live in a cave somewhere with tinfoil hats and underwear.

That introductory level showed that if you can get "hands-on" you own the device and its data.

About the same time, sidechannel was becoming a big deal - but then you had to get close enough to almost get "hands-on" so it seemed to be a cool party trick. Also, typically to do a SS attack there needed to be additional, and unwelcome, software on the data-donor device.

Time moves on, and at least from the ars article this looks kind of legit and useful in the real world. (until somebody discovers black electrical tape) Certainly more so than the whole "OMG they can read your CRT screen (remember those) just from EM emissions". That kind of turned out to be a sham.

stevej37 06-16-2023 01:54 PM

I'm safe!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1686952431.jpg

stomachmonkey 06-16-2023 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 12022787)

My understanding is every car after 2014 with the 'shark fin' antenna has remote tracking with altering vehicle systems/operations.
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The shark fin is for OnStar and the term Telematics the article uses refers generically to OnStar and / or embedded cellular hardware.

My Tahoes had their own number and cell plan.

So while technically yes it is “tracking” there is nothing nefarious going on.


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