Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12041437)

in one of he marketing videos for ocean gate they talked about how exciting and innovative and involved the "mission specialists" are with an example of how when they got to wreck, the controls for forward would spin the sub.

and they established, oh yeah, we put on of the thrusters in backwards, so instead of both thrusters firing, and moving the sub forward, they would fire in opposite directions and spin the sub.

after looking into how to re-map the controller, and all sorts of things they figured out that actually with such a configuration of thrusters, you can just turn the controller 90 degrees, so that left is now forward, and old forward is now right, and it works.

seems clever and exciting right? involved! exploration! edge of technically possible right?

wrong.

whats the first you do you when you hook up a motor to a controller ... make sure it spins the right direction.



this example is telling on themselves, its incompetence masquerading as a technical challenge.

there was a suggestion of a rocket example ... its closer to this than challenger:

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www...66-640x400.jpg

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 12042206)

Only 400 to go....

Originally Posted by fisher22 (Post 12041873)

An OceanGate sub is for sale — and the yacht broker who has spent 5 years trying to sell the vessel now wants nothing to do with it

https://www.insider.com/oceangate-submersible-for-sale-broker-wants-get-rid-of-it-2023-7

Originally Posted by fanaudical (Post 12042587)

Something I realized this morning (very late and maybe discussed already): I don't remember seeing anything about non-destructive examination of the mini sub during construction. Did I miss that? Or did they just not do it?

Originally Posted by fanaudical (Post 12042587)

Something I realized this morning (very late and maybe discussed already): I don't remember seeing anything about non-destructive examination of the mini sub during construction. Did I miss that? Or did they just not do it?

Originally Posted by David (Post 12042641)

It sounds like they had some sort of acoustic emission monitoring system on the carbon fiber hull but with everything else on the sub being substandard, I expect their system wasn't calibrated properly and/or wasn't tracking history.

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 12043225)

I got the impression that it was done mostly "by feel"

With every dive cycle it made less noise and they convinced themselves once it was not making any more noise it was "broken in" and since it didn't implode it was safe.

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 12043225)

I got the impression that it was done mostly "by feel"

With every dive cycle it made less noise and they convinced themselves once it was not making any more noise it was "broken in" and since it didn't implode it was safe.

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton (Post 12042492)

Summer Sub Blow Out Sale.

Originally Posted by pmax (Post 12043726)

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12045700)

“I did a fair amount of due diligence, calling up people who had already been on OceanGate Expeditions, who are not part of the company, and asking them about their experiences.”

:eek: LOL! It sounds like he did his "due negligence" or maybe "due ignorance."

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12045700)

and asking them about their experiences.”

Originally Posted by Noah930 (Post 12045783)

Yeah, I got a chuckle out of that statement, too. Let me ask a bunch of customers who don't really have knowledge on building super deep sea submursibles about the safety of this experimental super deep sea submersible.

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas (Post 12045786)

Him "Hi, it's me, did you have a good time?"

Them "Yes, had a lovely time, and the lunch afterwards was excellent."

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12041154)

they werent pushing any boundaries though.

its it well known and understood how to build submarines to visit the titanic. just because stockton rush didnt do it the right way, doesnt mean he was pushing boundaries.


if stockton rush wanted to push actual boundaries, he could have invented new ways to inspect carbon fiber structures to measure their strength. he could have invented new modeling techniques to understand and mathematically model the effects on composite materials. he could have had the sub properly tested and classed, and convinced the world that he was right.

he didnt.

he was a cheap moron selling 'innovation' to moron billionaires

and for people who were paying attention, he told on himself constantly. even oceangates marketing materials openly proclaim stuff that is telling on yourself.

Originally Posted by varmint (Post 12045689)

i haven't been paying attention. was the a black box on the sub that could be recovered? seems that would answer most of these questions.

Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 12046021)

Still connected to the sub controller and all high scores remain intact.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1689603511.jpg

Originally Posted by fisher22 (Post 12046145)

^^^
We've been commenting on how ridiculous using the game controller is, but I honestly have more faith in a robust design in the hands of millions of users worldwide than OceanGate.

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12046219)

there is nothing really funny about the game controller thing. all the insanity in the titan was the other ... stuff