I was going to post a somewhat similar thread the other day, what if the Revolutionary War happened today. Or better put, could the 18-24 year olds of today win the revolutionary war of 1775-83.

In dealing with today's 18-24 y/os in the fire service, all I can say is, we'd be in huge trouble.

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I'll bet the British baby-boomers are saying the same thing about their young-uns..:)

Everyone should know that people unite against a common enemy. So a foreign actor comes and blows you up, everyone pulls together. When there's no shiz going down, everyone reverts to bickering among themselves about what pronouns you used or whether you're allowed to wear a maga hat in their restaurant.

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Thijs is so true.

Many of you mentioned age, I see the point but thinking about it for a moment, it should be mentioned in history class doesn't matter what the age of the teacher. It is a big part of our history after all.

Looting was not reported and I don't think it actually happened in NYC. I think we are divided deeper today then back in 02. The mindset of some of the general public has changed since (for the worst IMO). I also think looting will happen if 9-11 happened today, but there are many more of those people that will lend a helping hand like they always would no matter.

Maybe the government wants the people to forget where the mass surveillance system they put in place came from…I was 31 when it happened and it still feels like yesterday.

Its not just "Boomers"...

Us GenXers are far more critical of today's yutes than the Boomers are.


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we all came together, and did the dumbest thing we possibly could have as a country ... invaded multiple arab nations for no reason.

our response to 9/11/2001 was one of the dumbest possible things we could ever have done. nothing about our response to 9/11 should be praised. 9/11 is a lesson in false patriotism and the dangers of it.

Agree

we weren't able to win a war on the flu, with a vaccine in hand. we were on the one yard line, and 40% of the country was like, yeah no, im working for the flu on this one. people in america wont do anything to help their fellow americans, and in fact, attack the very notion that we as a society should help one another in times of crisis and help those that are worse off than ourselves.

and it wasnt the 18-24 year olds that were the issue. we had a national crisis, that killed a million americans, sometimes the entire death toll of 9/11 a day, for weeks on hand, and the 18-24 year olds were not the issue.

Dude seriously... You can't actually think this???

we've watched it take place for the last 3 years.

people would rather have meltdowns in Walmart than do literally the simplest things to help their fellow Americans.

We as a country are so politically polarized and so infected with conspiracy theories about every single thing that we cannot agree on anything. If God himself appeared to cure every illness and feed and clothe every human in the US there would be a fight about it. The conspiracies are so bizarre I can't even guess what they might be, but you can be sure half the population would find something wrong with it and turn it down.
You are right, it's not the 18-24 year olds that are the biggest problem. I work at the council on aging and you would not believe the nutball ideas these people believe.

its because the end of the world wasn't what they thought it was. i learned this lesson with the derek chauvin riots, even more than the pandemic ... they think the end of the world is some kind of mad max, kill or be killed, more gun more better, gotta protect *your* women and children, from their neighbors, the zombies, and the government. but thats not the end of the world, that will never happen, it doesn't happen. thats not what happens when societies fail. its not like the movies.

the end of the world came, and it asked you to be kind. it asked you to be considerate. it asked to you be friendly with your neighbors, not shoot them. and that was a line they were unwilling to cross. kill their neighbors for their family, sure, no problem, they were ready for that. but be nice to strangers, that, was just unbearable. unconscionable.

and these were the same people that claim to value community, patriotism, they claimed they would do anything for this country and their families, and they couldnt even be nice for a few months without acting out by the thousands.

its honestly embarrassing what the pandemic showed. it again showed how rotten to the core "patriotism" is. and again, it was not the 18-24 year olds. they were not the issue. the very people who would claim up and down to do anything for this country couldnt go a month or two without a haircut for this country.

what ****ing failures. an embarrassment to this country, our communities, and ourselves. if 9/11 were to happen today, id think these same folks would do something equally stupid to what they do whenever a crisis happens, be it like 9/11 last time (invading arab nations because their feelings were hurt), or like the pandemic this time. make **** up to be made about, and assume that killing their neighbors is the only possible solution.

Average age of a Vietnam soldier was 19-20 years old fighting in the jungle.

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/9772/was-19-the-average-age-of-a-combat-soldier-in-vietnam

There was never any hope of winning. You can't "beat" a cold/flu type virus which constantly mutates. Talk of "winning" is what misled the stupid who have to distil reality into simplistic inaccurate ideas they can digest.

The purpose of social isolation and vaccine was only ever to slow the spread, thereby ensuring critical care capacity wasn't overwhelmed all at once. If you thought the virus would ever be beaten you were under a serious misconception.

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if course you can. slowing the spread means more people survive. higher vaccination rates means ... more people survive.

a million people didnt need to die. almost every other western country did significantly better than us during the pandemic. 10 times better in some cases. that would be 100k dead instead of a million dead.

that matters. 900k people saved is what ... 200 times 9-11. thats a 9/11 per day, for 8 months ... people saved. we could have done that. we could have saved those people. we chose not to. or rather, the not 18-24 demographic chose not to for us. because they just needed those haircuts so ****ing badly.

yesterday while at a stop light on a busy street a landscaper’s line trimmer shot a rock into my windshield of my 2 week old car. large rock with foot long crack. if i had been rolling forward, or the rock was a few inches to the left it would have hit my wife in the head.

i pulled over and spoke to the kid, about 22 YO, he told me his name was Jameson (as in the drink) and his only reply was “***** happens”. having had the very very unfortunate experience of working on a landscape crew while out of work not long ago with other 20 something’s. .all i can say is my encounters with them have been discouraging. maybe i am just old now. and i know not every kid is the same…i work with some good young people…but damn. i guess i have to blame my generation X for raising these jerks

That depends on how you define a "win."
Covid had the potential to kill many millions of people. Covid in the US did not spread like it did in China, didn't spread like the Plague did in Europe, or the way Ebola did in Africa, or AIDS did in pretty much the whole world. I'd call that a win. This isn't a sports event.

No Patrick, we all lost that one, everyone on the planet. Some of us did not learn a GD thing from it, most of us it looks like.

We are totally doomed.

Oh yeah, talking about the Revolutionary War. It would not have gone down at all, with our current crop of 19-24 year olds.