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stevej37 10-18-2023 02:52 AM

Killers of the Flower Moon
 
This looks like it might be an excellent movie.
Starts Friday.


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GH85Carrera 10-18-2023 05:09 AM

It started as a movie about the founding of the FBI. The plot developed and the it became a movie about the systematic killing of the Native Americans for their oil money. During that era, the Osage Indians were some of the richest individuals in the world. They were getting the equivalent of 400K per person per year for the oil royalties.

Of course the white man set up rules that called most of the natives incompetent and they were appointed a guardian. The "guardians" were as crooked as you can imagine, and often skimmed most of the money, and even outright killed the person they were supposed to help.

It was all filmed in Oklahoma and lots of residents in the area were used as extras, and many in real speaking parts. Even real home movies were incorporated in the film.

Paul T 10-18-2023 05:18 AM

Looking forward to this one, the book was excellent.

Crowbob 10-18-2023 05:29 AM

De Niro?

Nope.

Seahawk 10-18-2023 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul T (Post 12112347)
Looking forward to this one, the book was excellent.

Just ordered. Thanks.

stevej37 10-18-2023 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 12112357)
De Niro?

Nope.

Yes, and Leonardo and made by Scorsese.

All three of them were on CBS Sunday Morning this week for a 20 minute segment about making the movie.
Very interesting.

Steve Carlton 10-18-2023 06:18 AM

Looking forward to this one. An article that just came out in Time magazine:

https://time.com/collection/time100-leadership-series/6311403/martin-scorsese-killers-of-the-flower-moon-interview/

stevej37 10-18-2023 06:26 AM

The final trailer...

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Shaun @ Tru6 10-18-2023 06:39 AM

I've seen the trailers 20 times before other movies in the last few months. While I'm sure it's a masterpiece, my best guess is I'll feel the same way after finishing Michener's Hawaii, all 937 magnificent pages that were filled with bloody conquest, tragedy and misery that ripped your heart out and threw it in the gutter of despair next to empty pack of Pall Malls and a crumpled up pile of abandoned dreams.

Only in high school, it took months to get over that book.

No thanks.

Tobra 10-18-2023 08:22 AM

Given a choice, I always read the book. One of the best historical novels you will read. In this case, knew the story prior to reading the book. No doubt Deniro will be very convincing in his role as a racist monster. Not interested in the movie

flatbutt 10-18-2023 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 12112424)
I've seen the trailers 20 times before other movies in the last few months. While I'm sure it's a masterpiece, my best guess is I'll feel the same way after finishing Michener's Hawaii, all 937 magnificent pages that were filled with bloody conquest, tragedy and misery that ripped your heart out and threw it in the gutter of despair next to empty pack of Pall Malls and a crumpled up pile of abandoned dreams.

Only in high school, it took months to get over that book.

No thanks.

I was thinking along similar lines Shaun. Another story about the evil greedy interloper. I didn't enjoy "There will be blood" either.

The Synergizer 10-18-2023 09:27 AM

The greedy interloper apology movie (again?)

Seahawk 10-18-2023 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Synergizer (Post 12112541)
The greedy interloper apology movie (again?)

That is why I will start with the book.

All my interest in the Tribes has been in the deep Southwest so I am interested in reading and, frankly, judging, if the author has the understanding about Tribes I am not familiar with.

The Tribes in this country deserve the whole truth, not a bunch of whites telling them what the facts are.

Lived it.

Steve Carlton 10-18-2023 10:23 AM

https://www.nationalbook.org/books/killers-of-the-flower-moon-the-osage-murders-and-the-birth-of-the-fbi/#:~:text=Based%20on%20years%20of%20research,of%20s inister%20secrets%20and%20reversals.

rcooled 10-18-2023 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 12112424)
No thanks.

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 12112487)
Not interested in the movie

Me either. I know of this story, and if I want to see depressing images of people behaving like heartless bastards, I'll just watch the network news on TV...

Steve Carlton 10-18-2023 10:40 AM

I’d like to learn something about this history.

URY914 10-18-2023 11:02 AM

A dark time for sure. Don't think I want to sit and watch 3 hours of people taking advantage of others. Got enough of that in the current news.

stevej37 10-18-2023 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Carlton (Post 12112593)
I’d like to learn something about this history.


Same here.
I knew nothing about this part of our history until watching CBS Sunday Morning earlier this week.

I guess I should go bury my head in the sand instead of seeing it. :rolleyes:

Shaun @ Tru6 10-18-2023 12:58 PM

Settle down there tiger. First, I think we can all agree some sort of turtle hide in shell phrase would have hit home a little better.

Second, read Hawaii. it reads very fast, you just can't get enough. Like Tess of the d'Urbervilles. First half was a slog, pure Hardy. Second half was 8pm to 6am the next day. That's how Hawaii reads.

Third, hit YT and watch some history lessons on the Tulsa Massacre. Study it in depth.

Tulsa Massacre videos

I love history and study it a lot on YT. It's fun and insanely interesting and provides a lot of introspection and perspective on our culture today. World history is even better. Japan.

If I want to learn about the Osage, which did come up in the algorithms while I was learning about Tulsa, I'm happy to in a more sterile, factual and less emotional way than this movie.

Hope you enjoy it. It's just not for me. Peace.

stevej37 10-18-2023 01:07 PM

^^^ I'll report back after I see the movie.
I've never seen a movie with Leonardo in it that I didn't like....he seems to really be choosy about his roles.


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