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A930Rocket 12-28-2023 02:49 PM

That’s crazy and why my 2014 F150 is the last new vehicle I’ll buy. I watched a lot of Makuloco's videos of the years and he’s really good at explaining the problems and how to fix them.

My generation of F150s have a tendency for the third brake light to fill with water and or leak into the cab. Mine was replaced at 100,000 miles under warranty. It’s coming up on 200,000, so I need to see if I need to drain the light.😂 Also, it’s common for the rear defroster to break the back window in cold weather. After reading horror stories about it, I never use it.

908/930 12-28-2023 04:56 PM

;)
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Originally Posted by MMARSH (Post 12160147)
Ya think! Why because this is a Porsche board and we are car enthusiasts? I used to be a Driving instructor with the POC many years ago..I instructed many Porsche owners /enthusiasts who have zero business turning off any of the driving aids on a modern Porsche. All of them were excellent drivers, just ask them, they would tell you......

Lol, yup I think, that is part of being a good driver. Also many on here are over the age of 50 so they must be reasonably good at driving and many ride motorcycles, better be pretty good if you want to survive.;)

look 171 12-28-2023 05:04 PM

Yes. I changed shocks in my Cayman S. The sensor started to do its thing and cause the auto headlights to dipped a little bit making driving a bit darker then I like about 30' out. Nope, no adjustment with the old screwdriver. It has to done on the fooking computer, hooked up to their epuip. just to bring them back up to normal. Thankfully, my friend had all that equipment hanging around. Its a 2010 so its not that new. I can't imagent having change the air filter on a 2024 car. Gas tank needed to come out, consult the FBI before doing so

rcooled 12-28-2023 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MMARSH (Post 12160113)
Being able to permanently disable the start/stop feature would be great...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1703815933.jpg

https://www.autostopeliminator.com/?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIx8uy4cmzgwMVphOtBh 2bpwtQEAAYASAAEgKjW_D_BwE

MMARSH 12-28-2023 05:44 PM

Thanks for the link. Just checked, Unfortunately they don't make one for my car.

MMARSH 12-28-2023 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 908/930 (Post 12160232)
;)

Lol, yup I think, that is part of being a good driver. Also many on here are over the age of 50 so they must be reasonably good at driving and many ride motorcycles, better be pretty good if you want to survive.;)


Dont understand what you think is part of being a good driver. For the record I know know alot of people who have been riding motorcycles for 30 years and aren't very good at that either.

Arizona_928 12-28-2023 05:57 PM

That is a horrible work around.

Gm use a defeat regarding the hood sensor being disengaged as a service feature.

Arizona_928 12-28-2023 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MMARSH (Post 12160275)
Dont understand what you think is part of being a good driver. For the record I know know alot of people who have been riding motorcycles for 30 years and aren't very good at that either.

They should have been culled 29 years ago then

Por_sha911 12-28-2023 05:58 PM

I wonder if the dealer would claim using it voids the warranty.

masraum 12-28-2023 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MMARSH (Post 12160275)
Dont understand what you think is part of being a good driver. For the record I know know alot of people who have been riding motorcycles for 30 years and aren't very good at that either.

Right. What is the "good" that we're talking about. Being a lawful, defensive driver, or being able to hustle a car around a track with a good line, good speed, good time, smoothness, and near the edge consistently? Because I'm sure that a few folks might be both, more folks might be one or the other, and a most of folks are neither.

VINMAN 12-28-2023 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Flatbutt1 (Post 12159741)
Gone are the days when Dad and I would gather points, plugs, condensers, oil and filter and spend a Saturday afternoon tuning the cars while listening to the Yankees on the radio. I loved turning on the strobe to adjust the timing.

You can come over next time I do the timing on my '62 mercury! :D

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911_Dude 12-28-2023 06:19 PM

The tool chest definitly needs to include a laptop these days. I had to have Durametric software to do a lot of the things I did with the 2012 Cayman I had. I had a '74 911S for a long time. That car didnt know what an integrated circuit was. It was great.

908/930 12-28-2023 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MMARSH (Post 12160275)
Dont understand what you think is part of being a good driver. For the record I know know alot of people who have been riding motorcycles for 30 years and aren't very good at that either.

Just the "think" part, If you are on the road you should take your brain with you, many don't, and hope the car will do everything for them.

We are talking driving on street.

Rob Channell 12-28-2023 08:22 PM

0A local, independent Euro repair shop closed up a couple years back. The owner told me she was having to spend $15-20k per year just to upgrade the software licenses for diagnostics. Between lack of availability of mechanics that were competent and could repeatedly pass a drug test, and the licensing and special equipment required by the manufacturers she decided the only winning move was not to play and just closed up shop.

My wife is interested in a Sprinter van and after reading about them, there is an "Only x number of engine starts left" before it stops completely based on the DEF heater sensors, etc. Ugh. I dread having to move into the newer stuff. A car so smart it will strand itself....great, but probably not smart enough to let me know a few weeks before I start to have that problem on a 1200 mile road trip.


I do like the older stuff a bit better. I am noticing that some things are getting harder to find for the older cars. Some stuff is easy with oil filters, shocks, bushings, brakes. Other stuff is harder like exterior door handles/locks, window regulators, and all the plastic interior pieces that break. I guess if the models are popular enough someone will eventually 3d print replacements. Maybe the manufacturers will do limited runs, but at what cost? One of the reasons I have been stuck on older cars was that they were cheaper to fix with a few bucks than to spend the big bucks to get something newer.

Guess I am just getting old. "Hey you kids, get outa my yard!"

tdw28210 12-28-2023 08:33 PM

yes.

rfuerst911sc 12-29-2023 05:45 AM

Serious question . So the alternative is what ? Purchase the cleanest vehicle you can find from the 70's - 90's and buy/maintain ? Or give in and buy modern ?

fastfredracing 12-29-2023 06:55 AM

Pretty sad when you have to have a **** box car from the 90's as a back up for your new mercedes

RANDY P 12-29-2023 07:09 AM

Older cars can be kept alive with competent inexpensive repairs- that's my plan. Sucks to be a schlub who isn't savvy to these sort of things.

No desire to own a smartphone on wheels.

rjp

GH85Carrera 12-29-2023 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 12160435)
Serious question . So the alternative is what ? Purchase the cleanest vehicle you can find from the 70's - 90's and buy/maintain ? Or give in and buy modern ?

My 86 El Camino daily driver has 382,000 miles and my 85 911 is up to 192,000. I have not had a car payment in this millennium. Repairs are way cheaper, and they are both going UP in value. Now, the El Camino has manual door locks, manual window winders, and neither have ABS, traction control, tire pressure monitors, backup cameras and all the fancy new options. Most parts are available. There are near infinite options for an engine swap on the El Camino if I wanted more power. Bot cars have kick butt fantastic air conditioning and great heat.

GH85Carrera 12-29-2023 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12160279)
Right. What is the "good" that we're talking about. Being a lawful, defensive driver, or being able to hustle a car around a track with a good line, good speed, good time, smoothness, and near the edge consistently? Because I'm sure that a few folks might be both, more folks might be one or the other, and a most of folks are neither.

I have not had any tickets of any sort since the 1970s, and not a single wreck since the 70s. I am no Verstappen on track, as my toy car is a 200 HP 100% analog car and any modern car is faster on track. I still have a total blast on track and I have never been off track due to bad driving. I had 140 miles of track time at the Ozark International Raceway recently. 4 miles of curves and 1,200 foot elevation changes. Just a super fun and sometimes scary track.


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