The best summation of EV’s for the populous

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Not if Kalifornia certain politicians have their wish to ban use of natural gas and propane generators, heat, stoves, grills...

If you close every store on the block except one..

[dw1]

Here's a good one:

Santa ditches reindeer for electric sleigh, now stuck at broken charge point

Saint Nick’s pledge to go net zero backfires as e-sleigh now inoperable

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/satire/santa-ditches-reindeer-electric-sleigh-now-stuck-broken-charge-point

[chapo]

Motor Trend had an article this week that the F150 with the battery back up can run your house for only 18K a year!. ill keep my natural gas as long as I can thank you

[Danimal16]

One key factor of reliable utilities is the diversification of resources. There are significant challenges with building the electrical infrastructure required for the full electrification of society. BUT, the elimination of alternate sources in setting up a modern Western society is an absolute formula for creating a huge disaster. I have seen it in hurricanes and earthquakes, firsthand. Those who propose a one-stop source of power are ignorant of what it takes to assure system reliability.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by chapo

Motor Trend had an article this week that the F150 with the battery back up can run your house for only 18K a year!. ill keep my natural gas as long as I can thank you

That sounds like a calculation for full time? Do you have a link?

[Alan A]

Originally Posted by chapo

Motor Trend had an article this week that the F150 with the battery back up can run your house for only 18K a year!. ill keep my natural gas as long as I can thank you

That wasn’t even close to what it said.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-lariat-yearlong-review-update-9-power-outage/

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

No no no...the EV *IS* the battery pack. There are companies right now making kits so that you can run your house from a golf cart after a hurricane, for example. There are companies right now designing bigger kits to run your house off of your EV after a disaster.

So...more EVs in driveways means more emergency power when the grid goes down.

I am told by an engineer at work that the electric vehicle charger needs to be bidirectional, and currently only the F150 Lightning and Nissan Leaf allows the vehicles batteries to power the home.

When I looked into PV Solar array system costs of the addition of batteries almost doubled the project cost.

It just makes more sense to use your EV as the battery, but I personally would not want to do it without a PV solar array.

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by kach22i

I am told by an engineer at work that the electric vehicle charger needs to be bidirectional, and currently only the F150 Lightning and Nissan Leaf allows the vehicles batteries to power the home.

Bi-directional charging has been mandated, so every vehicle will comply eventually.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

Bi-directional charging has been mandated, so every vehicle will comply eventually.

When, where and by whom?

All I found in a quick search was this:

July 19, 2023
California’s Bidirectional Charging Mandate Would Create Microgrids on Wheels & Turbocharge Resiliency
https://www.microgridknowledge.com/distributed-energy/article/33008408/californias-bidirectional-charging-mandate-would-create-microgrids-on-wheels-turbocharge-resiliency

California has proposed requiring all electric vehicles (EVs) to be equipped with bidirectional charging beginning in model year 2030 – a move that would create microgrids on wheels that could support the grid, cut the need for fossil-fired peaker plants, reduce air pollution and provide resilience to disadvantaged communities during outages.

[1990C4S]

^^^ That's it. It is essential to long term EV growth, so it's going to happen.

[mgp steve]

SF6 is bad. Read up on it.
https://norwegianscitechnews.com/2020/01/sf6-the-truths-and-myths-of-this-greenhouse-gas/

[stevej37]

I read a list of credits/rebates for purchasing EV's and Hybrid cars.

The lowest credit is for hybrid cars that are made by non-unionized auto manufacturers.

That includes Honda and Toyota...right?
If true...it stinks.

[Steve Carlton]

As far as I know, the tax credits are based on where the car and the battery were made- not if the manufacturer is unionized or not.

[stevej37]

^^^ It sounds like a bill that is about to be passed.

If enacted, the bill would provide a $7,500 tax credit for consumers who purchase electric vehicles through 2026. Beginning the following year, only purchases of electric vehicles made in the U.S. qualify for the credit. The base credit goes up by $4,500 if the vehicle is made at a U.S. plant that operates under a union-negotiated collective bargaining agreement. Only auto plants owned by General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co. and Stellantis NV currently qualify.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/biden-bill-includes-boost-for-union-made-electric-vehicles

[Por_sha911]

I love the phrase "tax credit"

[s_morrison57]

Originally Posted by 908/930

I'm not sure about the gas stations down there but when we have a major power outage there is no fuel, so cars become useless pretty quick. I'm not for or against EV, for people that live near and drive to work in city's they are likely the right choice.

EV's are not the right choice when 75% (USA #) of your power is generated by fossil fuel.

Gov't mandates are lovely, I'm waiting for the mandate to double our power output by 2035 to accommodate all these energy sucking EV's. Solar and wind turbines won't do it so we need a mandate for nuclear power, good luck with that!

How much money has Justin embezzled from Canadians for our Carbon Tax and where has that money been spent to reduce our footprint?

The is no climate crisis, check the science, Greta don't know squat.

[Por_sha911]

Greta? You mean this Greta?

Looks like we have only 5 months left...

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Greta? You mean this Greta?

Looks like we have only 5 months left...

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/06/viral-posts-distort-greta-thunberg-tweet-warning-about-climate-change/

[GeorgeK]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

This is all over and above the fact that power is produced by fossil fuel and the environmental damage done to create EVs is being ignored.

It is ALL in that sentence. Polluting elsewhere does not make our situation better. Ostrich politics.

[john70t]

(customers are not buying most of them)

https://fortune.com/2024/02/20/ford-mustang-mach-e-electric-cars-evs-price-drop/
Feb 20, 2024 ... Ford Motor Co. cut the price of its electric Mustang Mach-E by as much as $8,100 after its sales tumbled 51% in January


(dealerships aren't going to inventory something which doesn't make them money)

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2023/12/21/ford-dealers-ev-sales-service-program/71991775007/
Dec 21, 2023 ... Half the Ford dealers in the nation, or some 1,550, have chosen to stick with selling hybrid and internal combustion engine vehicles only


(some of the states haven't gotten the memo)

https://web.archive.org/web/20240401225548/https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/8-states-now-say-complete-ban-gas-powered/
While the White House recently released new rules to phase out gas-powered vehicles by 2032, several states have gone further.

Eight states plan to completely ban the sale of new gas-powered cars by 2035, the U.K.’s Daily Mail reported. Who’s leading the charge, you might ask?

Why, it’s California, of course!

They are joined by Rhode Island, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Washington. Washington, D.C., has also committed to the ban, according to Money.