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[Por_sha911]

Maine forced to delay vote on EV mandate amid widespread power outages

'A storm like yesterday’s would render 80% of cars useless is, to say the least, ill-advised,' Democratic Rep Golden says.

A top Maine state environmental agency delayed a highly-anticipated vote to approve a sweeping electric vehicle (EV) mandate amid a storm that caused widespread power outages.

BEP, which is required to prevent, abate and control pollution in the state, voted in late October to approve the Advanced Clear Car Program, which would mimic regulations in California mandating that more than 40% of new car purchases in the state be electric by 2027 and 82% be electric by 2032. The agency was expected to finalize that mandate during the meeting on Thursday.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maine-forced-delay-vote-ev-mandate-amid-widespread-power-outages

[RANDY P]

Naah, leave 'em stranded. They got what they voted for.

rjp

[GH85Carrera]

From the article:

Maine state Senate Republican Leader Trey Stewart noted that automakers are scaling back their EV production and that Connecticut recently abandoned its EV mandate proposal.

[908/930]

I'm not sure about the gas stations down there but when we have a major power outage there is no fuel, so cars become useless pretty quick. I'm not for or against EV, for people that live near and drive to work in city's they are likely the right choice.

[Por_sha911]

My winter driving range in an ICE is double of an EV. When I get to a station and all the pumps are busy, I may have to wait 3-5 minutes to refuel as opposed to hours. I'll also have 5 gallons of gas sitting in the tool shed as backup.

[Pazuzu]

If everyone had an EV in the driveway, then everyone would have a power source that could keep their house warm, the internet on and the lights on. Won't be driving anywhere, but if the roads are closed, no ones driving anyways.

Why not have a big old battery pack sitting next to your house during the next major storm?

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

If everyone had an EV in the driveway, then everyone would have a power source that could keep their house warm, the internet on and the lights on. Won't be driving anywhere, but if the roads are closed, no ones driving anyways.

Why not have a big old battery pack sitting next to your house during the next major storm?

- not everyone has a driveway
- not everyone owns property to keep the battery pack
- MOST people won't have the means to pay for the EV and said battery pack.

EVs are the modern day equivalent of "let them eat cake".

The elitists (who fly around the world in their privately owned Lear jet) love to scold the unwashed masses because they neither want nor can afford the "answer" to our environmental problems that is not affordable nor practical for the average person. This is all over and above the fact that power is produced by fossil fuel and the environmental damage done to create EVs is being ignored.

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

- not everyone has a driveway
- not everyone owns property to keep the battery pack
- MOST people won't have the means to pay for the EV and said battery pack.

EVs are the modern day equivalent of "let them eat cake".

The elitists (who fly around the world in their privately owned Lear jet) love to scold the unwashed masses because they neither want nor can afford the "answer" to our environmental problems that is not affordable nor practical for the average person. This is all over and above the fact that power is produced by fossil fuel and the environmental damage done to create EVs is being ignored.

No no no...the EV *IS* the battery pack. There are companies right now making kits so that you can run your house from a golf cart after a hurricane, for example. There are companies right now designing bigger kits to run your house off of your EV after a disaster.

So...more EVs in driveways means more emergency power when the grid goes down.

[CalE]

^^^^
I want some of what your smoking, LOL.

[1990C4S]

Some people see problems, some see solutions.

A massive EV network would help the grid, in the long term. But that's not imminent.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by 908/930

I'm not sure about the gas stations down there but when we have a major power outage there is no fuel, so cars become useless pretty quick. I'm not for or against EV, for people that live near and drive to work in city's they are likely the right choice.

I have never seen a city wide power failure. No hurricanes here. Just drive a dozen miles or less to an area with electricity, and fill up. Even the meanest baddest 300+ MPH winds F5 tornado only hits a very small area, and just a few blocks away is civilization and gas stations, restaurants, and hospitals.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

No no no...the EV *IS* the battery pack. There are companies right now making kits so that you can run your house from a golf cart after a hurricane, for example. There are companies right now designing bigger kits to run your house off of your EV after a disaster.

So...more EVs in driveways means more emergency power when the grid goes down.

I’d rather have that than the $8000 propane generator I have that just sits 99% of the time.

[KNS]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

If everyone had an EV in the driveway, then everyone would have a power source that could keep their house warm, the internet on and the lights on.

It's a neat idea, having your car power things as a back up. But strictly temporary. In a prolonged power outage once your car/back-up power source runs out you're truly dead in the water. Unless you have other resources.

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

you can run your house from a golf cart after a hurricane, for example. There are companies right now designing bigger kits to run your house off of your EV after a disaster.

There are are also gererators which run off of natural gas, and will run indefinitely.

The ice storm last year left me without power for over three days: Heat, hot water, lights, internet, fridge, the works. Thankfully my house is well insulated. Could have been worse. I was only able to cook because of a NG stove. Not an engineer but I don't think a golf cart or EV capable of pushing a small car 150 miles would hold enough power to sustain all that for very long in the middle of winter.

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by john70t

There are are also gererators which run off of natural gas, and will run indefinitely.

If you have NG heat/water heater/stove you need very little electrical energy to heat your home, have hot water, cook, and use LED lights. A 2,000W generator will do that.

I think I will trust my small generator, not my EV.

(The gererator returns).

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

If you have NG heat/water heater/stove you need very little electrical energy to heat your home, have hot water, cook, and use LED lights. A 2,000W generator will do that.

I think I will trust my small generator, not my EV.

(The gererator returns).

All refrigerant appliances...

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

Some people see problems, some see solutions.

A massive EV network would help the grid, in the long term. But that's not imminent.

Some people make decisions based on fairy-tales and belief in unicorns.
A massive EV network would crash the current grid in any city the second it is plugged in. To get to the place of a majority of vehicles being EV, the entire utility industry would need BILLIONS of dollars to upgrade. Heck, Kalifornia can't keep the power on during the summer months. Add a 50% load increase and you will have brownouts more than 50% of each calendar day (hypothetical numbers to make a point but the logic is solid).

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by john70t

There are are also gererators which run off of natural gas, and will run indefinitely.

Not if Kalifornia and/or certain politicians have their wish to ban use of natural gas and propane generators, heat, stoves, grills...

[dw1]

Even the mainstream manufacturers are having significant EV issues, which certainly impact my confidence when considering buying one:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/the-chevy-blazer-ev-launch-has-gone-from-rough-to-worse-as-gm-issues-stop-sale

Again, I say that hybrids are the way to go for the foreseeable future, and hydrogen long-term, and that mandates are absurd - let the market decide.

[Por_sha911]

As for people who don't own a home and have $100k for a vehicle and the power system to be installed - "it stinks to be you cause I have power" so lets go ahead and mandate restriction so that people will be forced to buy EV vehicles.