And if you really don't like your choices, get involved in the selection process.

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Les

In California for 2020, the totals were Biden 11,110,250 Trump 6,006,429. It wouldn't have mattered if Biden got 11,110,249 votes instead, but there's a principle and I like participating.

I think the question is flawed, though. There are a lot of other votes to be made at the same time for other races and initiatives, and they might be more closely contested.

all politics are local politics.

so yes, always.

and any notion that you shouldn't vote because you don't like the government, or the world is in terrible shape, or you dont like your choices, or that it doesn't effect you much so who cares ... it effects the women you are married to, the children you raise or know, and the very people doing the bad things ... they are voting. so you need to.

But my vote, nor my state's EC votes EVER have ... so how does it really matter?

I vote .... I get it as to why ya do .... but I don't fool myself either :D

It just doesn't .... but I will ;)

I've never seen an election decided by a single vote... at any level.

So I stand by my flawed thread title :D.

I encourage everyone to vote.... and I do!

Doesn't matter ;)

Do you think an election might go the other way if a lot more people who didn't vote did? Do you think a recount might/might not take place that wouldn't have otherwise?

I think if one votes, they're more likely to study the choices and be more informed citizens. Maybe citizens that can recognize disinformation. Maybe citizens that will discuss and influence others in their lives. Or sign a petition, write a letter to a politician, or make a contribution.

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Don't know how old you are but think "Hanging Chad" in Florida circa 2000...

LOL ... I'd been voting a couple of decades before Chad. Thank you for the confirmation that my Fl. friends' votes didn't matter in that election either!

I don't have many left :D

Many years ago I dated a woman from a semi-large family -- 14 adults for dinner at the folks' house every Sunday. Before every election after Sunday dinner they'd get together and discuss candidates and ballot measures, with everyone getting a say and debating pros & cons. Then they'd decide how to vote -- as a bloc -- on every issue/office. Their premise was they didn't want any one person's vote to cancel out another's. One of the coolest civic-minded traditions I've ever seen.

this is a terrible idea and not civic minded in the least, and I'm glad we live in a country with a private ballot.

ie, this is just a way for parents to push their children to voting the same as them.

YMMV.

On a side note, you seem -- even by CP standards -- uncharacteristically bitter today . . .

bitter? no.

just tired of power differentials praised as civic mindedness. like if you dont think there is a power differential between a kid and their parents, esp at 18 ... ho boy. this falls into the category of "no true way to consent" like large age gap relationships etc.

its also weird that parents would try to force this on children. if you raised your kids right ... why would you need to argue with them on who to vote for? also if you actually knew your children, you probably can tell who they are voting for anyway.

like, all round, just a weird passive aggressive concealed power move. yuck.

Did you see the Rusty thread about political opinions?

There would only be 13 adults were I in that family....

My pre-election fast would prohibit me from participating :D

I am not as cool as them ;)

But interesting "group think" for sure.... thanks for sharing!

Assume much? These were all adults, youngest in their late 20s. If you'd been there as I was youd've experienced some pretty heated discussions, definitely not top-down or one way. But you do you.

Where I live it does not matter, in terms of presidential election results (not talking about some philosophical, it matters, as mention in many of the responses), as even if Jesus Christ was running blue he would not win to OMB or any other Repub.

That said, it's a tough sell, to me, that there is much matter to voting for Prez since 99% of the time both/all candidates are some form of blithering, clueless dumbass, falsehood telling scam artist, bribe/kickback-taking criminal, narcissistic degenerate, and/or all around lump of ambulatory excrement. :D

nope

Dale that's a great story and IMHO, with all due respect to contrary opinions, totally civic-minded. Those kinds if discussions are ALWAYS illuminating. In them, you hear things that make you go 'hmmm....' Perspectives you were not yet seeing. Facts you didn't know.

Also, I've come to very much appreciate consensus decision-making. Seen it many times. The process is not finished until everyone says they can live with the outcome even if they don't love it. This would be good for the country but not possible. Possible in families though.

LOL ...I've been so thoroughly disgusted by the one's I did vote for after they won and were in office that I just don't care anymore....

I am one proud DRINO :D

If you lived in an all red state, would your vote matter more or less than it does now?:rolleyes:

So,,, as a collective??

Sounds like a similar concept that I don’t endorse.

Can’t say I’m a fan of that at all. My mother’s vote is no business of mine and vice versa. My mother believes in the sanctity of voter privacy. So much so that she doesn’t share even with my Pops.

As it should be for those that wish to exercise that hard earned right.