F1 2024

[stealthn]

Steiner is out at Haas.

I wonder why Gene doesn’t want to improve, or is it just spend money? Or perhaps have a write off, not sure but why he wouldn’t just sponsor a team rather than owning one if he just wants the advertisement, not the wins?

[917_Langheck]

How do you figure Gene doesn't want to "improve"? Steiner has produced no wins, the latter years' performance slope looks like the October 1929 stock market, and last year Steiner made a power play for owning the team. Seems like 3 strikes to me.

Now, had you opened with why did they promote an engineer to team principal, then ya, totally would agree that that isn't likely to result in a dramatic reversal of fortune. Nevertheless, would be happy to see Hulk or Mag get some wins.

[s_morrison57]

Nevertheless, would be happy to see Hulk or Mag get some wins.
Fixed that for ya

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Mr Haas is enjoying the well worn road of how to make a small fortune in F1

It's really, easy been done dozens times before

All you need is to start with large fortune

We can work smarter, work more efficiently, maximise resource, short cut timelines, out think faster, bigger, better funded team .......blah, blah, blah and more blah

Been there done that, got it on my CV a few times

[astrochex]

Haas is exercising the golden rule, he who has the gold makes the rules.

Maybe a shakeup is what Haas needs. Steiner comes across as an engaging personality and people may be biased by that. I like that Komatsu has been with the team since the start so he knows it well. Give him a chance.

A Medland article pondered if Gene was going to give him any more resources. If not, Ayao could have a challenging tenure.

[rfuerst911sc]

Captain generally speaking how far along would this years car be ? 90 % ? 100 % ? I ask because isn't the Haas 2024 car designed and built with Gunther having the final say on things ? Yes moving forward that's not the case . But if the car is a dud all the new guy can do is try to upgrade. Obviously if the car is good that is a better position to be in .

[Rtrorkt]

Originally Posted by 917_Langheck

How do you figure Gene doesn't want to "improve"? Steiner has produced no wins, the latter years' performance slope looks like the October 1929 stock market, and last year Steiner made a power play for owning the team. Seems like 3 strikes to me.

Now, had you opened with why did they promote an engineer to team principal, then ya, totally would agree that that isn't likely to result in a dramatic reversal of fortune. Nevertheless, would be happy to see Hulk or Mag get some wins.

in reading through the press, it seems Haas was able to field a team and keep it in F1 based on Steiner's innovative way of pulling resources together and meeting the F1 constructor role. Of course, this diversified structure may have led to some of the issues they faced, but from what I have read, at least, it was Steiner's team and Haas was the investor.

Be interesting to see if the new leaders change the approach or stay the course

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Captain generally speaking how far along would this years car be ? 90 % ? 100 % ? I ask because isn't the Haas 2024 car designed and built with Gunther having the final say on things ? Yes moving forward that's not the case . But if the car is a dud all the new guy can do is try to upgrade. Obviously if the car is good that is a better position to be in .

Most teams around about now will be firing up their engines for the 1st time and trying to pass the last few crash tests

1st race car design will be 99% done, 1st test aero kit will be going through manufacturing

Next aero upgrade in the tunnel now and will hit the track 3rd ish race, hard to say for sure as all fly away races so not so easy to send to the track

[917_Langheck]

Originally Posted by Rtrorkt

in reading through the press, it seems Haas was able to field a team and keep it in F1 based on Steiner's innovative way of pulling resources together and meeting the F1 constructor role. Of course, this diversified structure may have led to some of the issues they faced, but from what I have read, at least, it was Steiner's team and Haas was the investor.

Be interesting to see if the new leaders change the approach or stay the course

Yes, indeed. Steiner is the type of person you would want as TP, a big picture type, but the results indicate something different is needed. Ayao as Technical Head makes more sense to me, but he may have the KSAs to be TP. Mid season will show up the fruits of this change.

"It was Steiner's team..." I think is playing a large part of this change. The guy paying the bills is more apt to believe they own the team, and you work for them ...

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr

Most teams around about now will be firing up their engines for the 1st time and trying to pass the last few crash tests

1st race car design will be 99% done, 1st test aero kit will be going through manufacturing

Next aero upgrade in the tunnel now and will hit the track 3rd ish race, hard to say for sure as all fly away races so not so easy to send to the track

Thank you for the reply . Your insiders view is much appreciated .

[917_Langheck]

Originally Posted by s_morrison57

Nevertheless, would be happy to see Hulk or Mag get some wins.
Fixed that for ya

No need for sarcastic green. Long been a fan of Hulk and "Suck my Balls, Honey" Magnussen.

[Deschodt]

Alpine should hire Steiner lickety split... they cannot do much worse than now management wise, at least it'd be fun to watch.

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

Alpine should hire Steiner lickety split... they cannot do much worse than now management wise, at least it'd be fun to watch.

Not a happy place, many long term folk poised to jump if/when Andretti get an entry

I'm sure the same can't be said for Williams or AM both local teams to Alpine with exciting futures ahead of them

[Zeke]

I certainly don't know much about F1 other than reading this thread and catching a few races. I have been verbal in this thread but more or less in theory and principle than coming from pure knowledge. That having been said, of course I know little about Steiner.

I did see a video probably produced 3 years ago featuring Steiner. He came across as someone that I would not work for. Crude, profane and certainly self assured. I immediately disliked him.

Hopefully Komatsu will be more of a gentleman and better yet, a success. I know the Captain has said many times you can't come from outside the top 3 and their sub teams. Since I will root for the smaller teams if they aren't clowns, I will root for Hass.

Speaking of Hass (and OT to this thread) I see partner Tony Stewart is stepping into his wife's Top Fuel digger while she "plans to start a family." I'm no big TS fan but the guy is a racer of racers. He has done a lot even winning 3 divisions of USAC in one year.

Now add drag racing to his resume. I hope he does not embarrass himself. I've been following the background of drag racing lately to understand more. While not on an F1 level, these TF and FC cars are no joke, very technical and even harder to harness. TS is looking into the eye of the beast.

Good luck to Hass in F1 and the new (2 year old) Stewart NHRA team.

[herr_oberst]

Tony Stewart will not embarrass himself in TF/D. He competed for a season or two in TA/D and did very well.

Having said that, when I heard about him taking over Leah's seat in the TF car, my cynical self wondered how Leah felt about being put out to pasture - she's the one who brought him into the NHRA in the first place, and she is a very competitive Top Fuel racer in her own right....

Sorry for the hijack.

Back to Gunther.

[Zeke]

Leah made the choice.

Now back to F1.

[herr_oberst]

"This is basically an episode of Kitchen Nightmares, isn't it, but with a racing team. Steiner is Gordon Ramsey."

[rfuerst911sc]

Here's a crazy thought to discuss . Andretti Motorsports is granted a spot on the grid . They hire Gunther Steiner as team principal . He knows the ins and outs of F1 . He has connections in F1 . He knows how to start a team from scratch.

This would be a hit with the fans . It would be instant notoriety for the team . Sponsors would be calling to hop on the team bus . If nothing else it's fun to discuss 😋

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Here's a crazy thought to discuss . Andretti Motorsports is granted a spot on the grid . They hire Gunther Steiner as team principal . He knows the ins and outs of F1 . He has connections in F1 . He knows how to start a team from scratch.

This would be a hit with the fans . It would be instant notoriety for the team . Sponsors would be calling to hop on the team bus . If nothing else it's fun to discuss 😋

Interesting thought. Michael obviously would be spread too thin too run both teams. Maybe he could hire Marco to stand in at Indy Car.

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Here's a crazy thought to discuss . Andretti Motorsports is granted a spot on the grid . They hire Gunther Steiner as team principal . He knows the ins and outs of F1 . He has connections in F1 . He knows how to start a team from scratch.

This would be a hit with the fans . It would be instant notoriety for the team . Sponsors would be calling to hop on the team bus . If nothing else it's fun to discuss ��

He would be the best choice by a million miles thats before factoring in his Netflix popularity

A non-F1 experienced TP would be a liability, a F1 experienced TP without experience of setting up a F1 team would be a liability too, a TP with no F1 or new 500-1000 person racing team start up experience wouldn't know where to begin

As it's your idea, do you want me to get his telephone no. so you ask him on behalf of Andretti?