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HardDrive 03-16-2025 06:48 AM

Need to add this: The cheating does not stop at the interview. We have had folks completely Bs their way through the interview process, and get hired. Once onboard, they cover up the fact that they don't know anything by having other people do their work. In one case, I noticed the guy was constantly getting help from those around him. I told the others to stop helping him so we could see what he could do, and that turned out to be nothing. The most egregious case was a guy who committed no code during the day. A software engineers complete their work, they will essentially save their work (commit) to the main software repository. This guy only did it at night. He would sit in the office on his phone all day. This was a huge red flag that someone else was doing this work. Before I could even sit down with the guy and talk about it, cybersecurity contacts me. Someone in India was logging into his virtual machine at night, and doing his work. Instant termination.

With AI, this all gets more complicated, because software engineers are being encouraged to use AI! Hard to know if the person actually knows how to code, or are they really good at giving AI prompts. And stranger still.....do we care? As long at they are using approved internal tool sets, and the work is getting done, do we really care? Such a strange world....

masraum 03-16-2025 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Arizona_928 (Post 12429319)
So, these are tech jobs…?

I’ve used ai to polish my resume and cover letters. Polish being the key word, never for a first or final draft.

Yes, tech, probably specifically IT.

masraum 03-16-2025 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by HardDrive (Post 12429398)
Need to add this: The cheating does not stop at the interview. We have had folks completely Bs their way through the interview process, and get hired. Once onboard, they cover up the fact that they don't know anything by having other people do their work. In one case, I noticed the guy was constantly getting help from those around him. I told the others to stop helping him so we could see what he could do, and that turned out to be nothing. The most egregious case was a guy who committed no code during the day. A software engineers complete their work, they will essentially save their work (commit) to the main software repository. This guy only did it at night. He would sit in the office on his phone all day. This was a huge red flag that someone else was doing this work. Before I could even sit down with the guy and talk about it, cybersecurity contacts me. Someone in India was logging into his virtual machine at night, and doing his work. Instant termination.

With AI, this all gets more complicated, because software engineers are being encouraged to use AI! Hard to know if the person actually knows how to code, or are they really good at giving AI prompts. And stranger still.....do we care? As long at they are using approved internal tool sets, and the work is getting done, do we really care? Such a strange world....

I do remember reading an article about a guy that subcontracted his job out to a guy in India. He was paying the Indian a fraction of his salary. I think the story even said that the guy had multiple jobs.

Arizona_928 03-16-2025 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12429436)
I do remember reading an article about a guy that subcontracted his job out to a guy in India. He was paying the Indian a fraction of his salary. I think the story even said that the guy had multiple jobs.

There’s a whole subreddit on working 3 full time jobs and employers taking years to catch on to them being dead weight.

Alan A 05-03-2025 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by orangeguy26 (Post 12458340)
I interviewed a guy who sounded amazing, but once hired, he couldn't do half the things he claimed. Now I always throw in a quick live test during interviews.

Interesting that a bot uses the concept of “live” test

stevej37 05-03-2025 03:15 PM

^^^ They're all over the place today.

masraum 05-03-2025 04:54 PM

Can someone kill off the orange SPAMbot. I reported his two other posts which had both been edited to add links. It's only a matter of time before this one is updated with a link.

Gerakleo 05-06-2025 11:11 PM

I interviewed a guy who sounded amazing, but once hired, he couldn't do half the things he claimed. Now I always throw in a quick live test during interviews.

onewhippedpuppy 05-07-2025 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 12429582)
First there were students copying literature or buying homework or term papers off the internet.
Basic text searches sometimes caught them cheating.
But AI can take that same info, scramble and rewrite it a little, and that breaks the search.
1% same? 50% same? What overlap constitutes plagiarism?

And not just in simple education papers...a large number of artificial fake medical studies have discovered.
So much information. The review boards just can't keep up.

The data can used to justify release of new drugs on the market. This is a huge amount of data obtained from numerous sources. And the 'test subjects' can be located in foreign countries and off any known US record databases, or even exiting in real life aka fake little brown villagers. Without witnessing and verifying in-person, anything worth billions can be made up in a couple nanoseconds.

Faked data can have so many levels of fake inputs complicating investigations into whether it can be verified. And without the tedious task of actual people in charge and being held personally responsible for the outcomes -cough- international studies without a vertical human chain of command should be rejected.

Pandora's Box has been opened.

Drug companies have been faking and altering medical trial data for decades. This is nothing new.

cabmandone 05-07-2025 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Gerakleo (Post 12460266)
I interviewed a guy who sounded amazing, but once hired, he couldn't do half the things he claimed. Now I always throw in a quick live test during interviews.

^^^ This guy did the exact same thing good ol' orangebot did. Bots lack imagination. C'mon man! get your own material.

rwest 05-07-2025 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cabmandone (Post 12460318)
^^^ This guy did the exact same thing good ol' orangebot did. Bots lack imagination. C'mon man! get your own material.

Interestingly, his join date says 2021. Long game or can they manipulate their start?

A930Rocket 05-07-2025 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerakleo (Post 12460266)
I interviewed a guy who sounded amazing, but once hired, he couldn't do half the things he claimed. Now I always throw in a quick live test during interviews.

Is there an echo in here?

masraum 05-07-2025 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rwest (Post 12460339)
Interestingly, his join date says 2021. Long game or can they manipulate their start?

Nope, I think I've also seen some where the time between posts is sometimes years. Crazy isn't it? Makes me wonder if it's crap coding, genius coding, or a real person doing it manually.

And the first post has some odd grammar syntax, is from 2021, and has no link inserted. So I'm going with crap coding or a real person that possibly is ESL or something.

Arizona_928 05-08-2025 03:59 PM

Gives them 2-3 years for them to make $$ before being fired. Often times, people don’t like conflict and keep them on the books…

cstreit 05-09-2025 05:41 AM

If you were hired to do math calculations and brought a calculator to the interview, is it cheating? or using the tools at hand to be more efficient and accurate?

Coding fast and effectively means using AI these days.

Brokky 08-13-2025 04:18 AM

A friend at my old job swore someone was reading AI-fed answers during a tech interview because their eyes kept darting to another screen. Out of curiosity, we once tested a few suspicious replies with an ai detection model, and it actually caught patterns we didn’t notice at first. It made reviewing candidates feel a lot more fair without jumping to conclusions.

Alan A 08-13-2025 02:18 PM

Aaand here’s another one…

masraum 08-13-2025 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan A (Post 12515334)
Aaand here’s another one…

LOL! AI telling us about itself?

Alan A 08-13-2025 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12515349)
LOL! AI telling us about itself?

Well we do use them to write prompts sometimes.
So technically…

Deschodt 08-14-2025 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Arizona_928 (Post 12429319)
So, these are tech jobs…?

I’ve used ai to polish my resume and cover letters. Polish being the key word, never for a first or final draft.

Ever polishing is risky... We now have AI scanning text to determine if it was written by AI... If you think about it what a waste of energy on both ends..


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