Chinese EV, HiPhi Z
 

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I had the keys to one of these vehicles at the Hyundai R&D center parking deck. They have lots of competitors' vehicles stored at the parking deck, and we were given keys to several vehicles. This EV from China was the last set of keys to be offered, and no one wanted the keys, so yep, I ended up with them. Funny thing when the group saw the vehicle, they all came running over to check it out. I must say, it was a very interesting vehicle for sure.

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It’s ugly and it has a touch screen. Both hard NO for me.
You have to take your eyes off the road and poke around on the touch screen just to adjust the steering wheel? Are you f**king kidding me?

I passed a GWN Haval H6 on I10 the other day. Not the same thing, but I was surprised to see a Chinese car on our roads.

Reminds me of a cross between a Cadillac and Ferrari FF from this angle.

It's not the ugliest thing out there. Some angles aren't too bad. The rear is pretty bad.

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What happens to parts availability and resale value if China invades Taiwan?

Surly they'll run out of ugly sticks after a while?

At $25K....it'll sell fast.

Cars will be treated like cell phones.

Crap out every 2 years. Upgrade to a new model.

Wouldn't be surprised that with this new players car ownership is over.

It will be a rental subscription lease type of thing. Who knows

CCP is currently dumping a glut of unsold EVs all over the world, in some cases selling new cars as new. Trying to tank the market and drive existing manufacturers out or bankrupt them. Thats the sort of thing you can do with slave labor and state ownership.

I could care less about this thing, but I’m not in the market for a Tesla either. Just another EV full of screens that looks like an ugly spaceship.

I can't imagine driving a car mad of Chinesium steel. :eek:

Have those ugly things passed the national crash standards? Where would one get them serviced?

I would not have one if it was offered to me free.

as a second run about town car - for a dirt cheap lease (and by dirt cheap i mean $100 a month) - i'd consider it. NFW would i buy one.

i'm not a fan of electric cars, so china dumping loads is funny to me. just recycle the batteries into shavers or something.

I've ridden in a few different Chinese EV's and crawled over some high end ones in a Bangkok mall. Sure they're not Porsche's but they're hard to beat for the money and make it almost pointless for European, Japanese, or American manufacturers to try to compete. Unfortunately I predict it will soon be like cell phones were manufacturing in western countries will not be financially feasible.

Only if we continue to allow them to do that to us.

I was thinking along the same lines, like a battery subscription.

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This is going to go PARF real fast: I don't know many born in the US folks up to the task. I run a machine shop, pay $50/hr and only about 25% of our work force is worth a crap. That doesn't bode well for finding enough people to operate an assembly line at a reasonable hourly rate with good attendance.

I don't disagree with you. Not trying to PARF it at all...we need to relook how we educate people in this nation.

I’m curious what this means, and also how we educate people in this country.

Flood our markets with underpriced crap in order to run our business out of the market, which the People allow.

And educate our people in terms of actually getting them ready for a viable place in the workforce in a NEEDED field.

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Underpriced based on low labor rates or because of government subsidies. We have a higher standard of living here and our labor costs are higher- agree? If the Chinese government is subsidizing their exports in order to drive our companies out of business, then I say they should be tariffed into equilbirum in order to "not allow it." If their products are cheaper in a fair market, then that is the essence of free enterprise.

I agree with your stance on education. If we're educated enough to not need to work in factories for low wages, great. I wouldn't say that's a needed field. Bring in the cheap imports and export higher end products and services.

Should we shift the conversation to Tariffs?

Is it "educate" or "motivate?" I can't understand how to get people to care about their jobs. I've had employees who busted their asses to do better and better, and others who couldn't wait to earn another sick day so they could fake the flu and get another day off.
I've talked about this here before. There seem to be natural "ees" and natural "eurs."

The "ees" think their work time is a wasted part of their day and only want to put in the minimum required to get their check and go home. The "eurs" are entrepreneurial, looking for a way to get ahead, and always going above and beyond the minimum required, and earning promotions and raises. I don't know how to teach the "ees" they are driving a dead end road. They just don't seem to get it.

They aren't flooding our markets. US businesses import the "crap" because they can make more money closing US factories, firing workers, and selling the "crap" than they can make selling US made products.
Stop blaming China or whomever, this is entirely on us.
Our corporate tax system rewards profits, no matter how they are made. The tax code provides no incentive to promote US production or employment of US workers, it encourages shipping jobs overseas because firing US workers increases profits. Profit, and only profit, is tax advantaged.

Oh, I don't blame China. You'll notice i said we allow this to happen. It's 100% on the American public.

I hear you about the doers and coasters.

Guy pushing a broom gets 40 an hour here.
COL can’t be that different can it?

I think the bigger issue is CCP businesses that can sell products at a loss to bankrupt their competition. Manufacturing in Mexico is now as cheap if not cheaper than China.

WRT to the Chinese subsidizing their companies to sell into our markets, this is 100% real.

I worked for an API 6A licensed shop as engineering manager.

API, the American Petroleum Institute, sets the standards for how some pressure control equipment will be made and every API license holder makes the product exactly the same (6A spools and flanges).

It costs the same to run a CNC machine in North America as it does in China. Labour is not the expensive part in this type of manufacturing. We could not even buy the steel for what we could buy a completed API monogrammed flange from China. The steel was the same and had to meet the same requirements and they were audited once a year.

Massive Chinese government interference there and that’s only in one place.

All that being said, the nicest electric car I’ve been in was a BYD uber in Europe this spring. Gorgeous, it felt like a very high quality car and was way cheaper than a Tesla.

I’m afraid you’re right. I just read an article about how Americans are falling out of love with the automobile. There are a lot of reasons why.

Brand loyalty isn’t what it used to be. Cars are all so similar and share so many parts that it doesn’t make much sense to stick with one brand for life. (Remember back in the 80s when some guy sued GM when he found out his new Buick had the same engine as a Chevy? Seems kinda quaint now.)

The expense of owning a car has crept up to 25% of the average income, driven largely by the cost of insurance, because …

Cars are so difficult and expensive to repair that they are being totaled for relatively little damage.

With Uber and DoorDash it’s easier than ever to get by without a car.

Targeted, thoughtful tariffs designed to correct a specific trade problem have been useful tools for 200+ years.

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That's hard to fathom. I'm sure COL is higher in NY but even an engineer here is typically starting at barely $100K which is $48/hr.

Here's a couple I was checking out at a mall in Bangkok. Everything felt nice, all the switch gear felt solid.

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Engineer or kid with an engineering degree?
One of those things is not like the other.

First I’d expect to be significantly more. Second would be about the same as the broom pusher, but ramping up fast over the first 2-4 if they aren’t a total FUB.

As an aside my hvac guy was saying 2 years in and a buck-sixty and they still can’t hire.

Depending on major and location a new hire engineer is somewhere in the ballpark of $85k.

$100K engineer right out of school. We hired a new mechanical engineer last year. He put on his salary expectation $85-90K but we started him at $100K. I've been here a long time and found that new engineers (I hired as an engineer almost 30 years ago) usually start at about the same base pay as our union mechanics/machinists. Of course mechanics get time and half and double time overtime pay where engineers, if they're overtime eligible, only get straight time overtime pay after 45 hours.

I'm surprised HVAC techs are getting $160K in NY since that's senior engineer or even starting manager pay here.

Try finding an hvac guy that’ll turn up on time…

It’s been said before, but a lot of people will change an outlet or a faucet, but as soon as the boiler or the blower stops they still pick up the phone…

You wouldn't like a Model 3 then since even the vents are screen controlled.

For me at least, there’s nothing more distracting than touch screens in cars. I think they are unsafe as hell.