LEO, I don't know how you guys do it - what's wrong with people
 

I see videos like this all of the time. I see/read so much crap about LEOs, and I don't get it. These guys couldn't have acted any better, IMO.

I also don't understand these sorts of people, and there are A LOT of them out there that act like this. I'm sure that her opinion is that she was wronged by bad police. I have to think that any normal, rational person would see that's not the case.

WTF is wrong with people.

And those video has nothing to do with race because I've seen videos of folks of every description acting like this. Are they mentally ill. Many seem like they are or should be relatively normal until they lose it and/or have a very warped sense of reality. I've thought before that some of them were just acting outrageously in the theory that their barking and aggressive show will cow others so they get what they want. But could it REALLY be that? I just don't get it.

And this isn't political either.

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The whole video can be summed up with this comment.

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In the past week or two, I think I've seen at least 5 videos of women being told that they either can't go someplace or they have to leave someplace and they need to know "why" because, "I haven't done anything." And they don't seem to get that there doesn't need to be a reason why other than one person (owner/manager) doesn't want you there. And if they don't cooperate and leave, it's not going to turn out well for them.

I often wonder did we behave like this 40-50 years ago? Maybe we did? There's just weren't that many cameras around to get it out in out in the open? Also, is this an American oir dare I say North American thing? People act like that in other parts of the world? I wanted to reach through my screen and slap that dumb girl. This type of stuff has to wear on those cops. They were truly professionals.

Cops should have just told the manager on the phone it's her job to tell her employees what to do - stay or go.

Additionally - that manager on the phone did a piss poor job communicating with her associates.

I have other thoughts but those are the 2 main ones.....

I can only watch a few minutes.

If only there were some common denominator….

thank God for body cams, eh?

Yep... Can you even imagine how the cops would have handled this without cameras?

Years ago I heard a story about the cops using a telephone book to get a confession. The person being interviewed had stolen a firearm and was refusing to talk. A few bashes with the phone book to the head soon fixed that. Freekin awful but it worked.

"Respect Culture" is a disease and shouldn't be confused with actual respect. Kudos to the officers for not losing it.

I think she’s mentally ill. One thing I think the officer did wrong was respond to everything she said. It was nonsense anyway and it may have just encouraged her to keep it up. It’s good to try to reach a rapport with people, but she wasn’t having any of it, so just give her the necessary orders and ignore her nonsense.

I would say control issues stemming for long term sexual abuse as a child.

She was adamant. Way beyond those "auditors" taking videos who are belligerant to police to get view clicks. Something definitely long term created this.

100%

and good analysis Bob. She was built to be this. breaks my heart.

Officers were true professionals.

This video brings back a lot of memories of people I have arrested. They ranged in age and demographics, but were mostly in their twenties to early thirties. In many cases, the person acted like this to avoid being SEARCHED for weapons or contraband. The suspect acted a fool to dissuade the cops from finding a knife, gun, or dope. To me, it seemed she was doing the same.

She deserved to go to jail and once in the jail, the cops should have notified a supervisor to witness, record, and supervise the mandatory actions such as the search. I would have cut off her jacket with safety scissors and left the handcuffs in place. I would have also put a "spit bag" over her head to avoid being bitten as she threatened the cops. Once she was searched, I would have left her in the immobilization chair until she appeared to be calm, observing her to ensure she did not have a medical emergency. Once calm, I would explain what the procedures were to complete the booking process and have a team of officers nearby to restrain her again until she calmed down enough to finish. This goes on everyday as a cop!

They did a great job at remaining calm and did everything in their power to restrain her without hurting her. I applaud them.

David I respect the hell out of you and your fellow officers. A good friend of mine is a former SWAT officer, he’s got some stories. I don’t have the patience, in my opinion a lot more people should get tazed.

its almost like trained in mental health experts and social workers should be dealing with the mentally ill, not a bunch of hot headed, poorly trained, poorly educated on the law, armed, bros.

Drugs
 

I'm surprised none of you see it.

IMO, she was demonstrating classic ODD (Oppositional Defiance Disorder) with strong Passive/Agressive traits. She’s a bit old for such things which, by virtue of her crying for daddy, looks like some dependent personality mixed in.

IOW, insane in the membrain or a short circuit of the brain pan.

The internet being a confirmation Bias machine: If your history of watching shows civilians behaving badly to police you will get more of those. If your history shows engagement of cops behaving badly to civilians you will get plenty of those.

There are a lot of very shocking videos of cops egregiously violating peoples rights. Of course tons of video graphic evidence of people acting terrible as well.

I support the police but there is opportunities for a lot of them to do better as well. Not sure I have as much hope for general citizens to be any better on the whole though. Probably always going to have people who are not quite right.

The people behaving badly on airplanes is crazy. Don't people know by now that they will be going to jail AND banned from the airline in the future?

Right. I suspect there were folks that were idiots back then, but it's hard not to think that this sort of behavior has become more common.

I couldn't do the job of a LEO, because I could not handle this sort of thing day in and day out. You wanted to reach through the screen and slap her, and that would be most folks reaction. The cops did an amazing job of maintaining their cool despite the circumstances. I think they should be praised for how they handled this situation. I have no doubt that at least part of the motivation behind this behavior was to rile them up so they would react and act like she was acting and she didn't take the bait.
The problem is that if a manager tells you to leave, and you refuse, you (as a manager) can't physically remove them without potentially being charged. So when someone refused to leave, I think the right choice to protect yourself (the business) and the other person is to call the police and have them officially remove the person (potentially hitting them with a "no trespass" which means if they come back they can be arrested).

I agree, the manager could/should have handled things differently, "the other guy is in charge, do what he says, and now I'm telling you, 'go home' and we'll talk on Monday." My guess is that the girl would still have argued and wouldn't have left.

I do see those other videos of cops that seem to have power trips or are full of it, but it's probably at least 10:1 for the cops being decent and people being sheißkopfs.

Obviously mental illness and I don't think it's right to even put videos like this on YouTube.
But I guess the people get what the people want.

If you MAX subscription there are a couple of seasons of a show called Lockup. Mostly late at night arrests. Much like the show Cops, only they get to leave in the profanity, and really show idiots in action.

One of my favorite episodes was a chick so drunk she could hardly stand and the cops were trying to test her sobriety but she was totally combative. She kept saying her dad was in charge at the city, and they needed to call him. Finally her dad did show up, and he just watched as she was handcuffed & hog tied because she kept kicking the cops. Finally they had to put her in a spit and bite mask. They put her in a jail cell for a few hours and she finally calmed down enough to be charged and she spent the night in a cell alone.

Essentially - yes.

I didn't see any laws being broken.

So why is law enforcement needed?

The guy employee didn't approve of how the girl employee was doing her job.

He should have called the store manager/regional manager and got them involved.

This is an "internal" matter that should have been resolved "internally"

Clearly, when the manager via phone call asked the girl employee to leave for the day - she agreed to do so.

That's all it took.

The person who called the cops is clueless of how to handle situations while employed by a corporation.

Should have been handled by the company - and looks like it could have been.



As I pointed out - it seems like it was never communicated to those 2 employees that he was filling in from another store and she was supposed to work "under" him.

That seems to be the overall genesis that started the whole issue.

So the store manager didn't communicate as she should have. Ultimately via phone call she did tell the girl employee to leave - so that solved the problem for that night.

Law enforcement shouldn't have ever been called here. But because they were, I guess they tried to handle things the best they could. I would have left right after the manager told girl employee to leave. The cop should have handed girl employee the phone so she could hear it herself. Instead she took it upon herself to have to call the manager right back.

I would have had the whole thing straightened out, were I involved. Mostly because of my communication skills and people skills. Not everyone has those and throw in the old ego and doesn't take much for things to get going the wrong way real quick.

My 2 cents.

There'd be a lot less of this kind of behavior if people were held accountable for their actions earlier in life. I get sucked into the YT rabbit hole once in a while and it makes my blood boil when I see these folks getting a slap on the wrist or charges dropped. They have them so dead to rights, but they almost always skate. If I were the judge and watched a video in court of someone getting physical with a cop, I'd press pause and ask the DA what the max penalty is and then that's what they'd get, pound gavel, next case.

I think everything you say here is correct but I'd like to add that the guy working there maybe did not feel safe enough to 'handle' this on his own. This part isn't clear, why he chose to call 911 instead of the off site manger. My experience with the girl's behavior has often been related to drugs.

Many interpret the word 'drugs' as something that is illegal and potent. Nothing could be further from the truth. While she may have had illegal substances in her, there are a lot of legal prescription drugs that cause irritability and aggression. She may or may not have had a prescription.

The fact that she became even more defiant as the situation escalated tells me she had a problem that was not necessarily a personality disorder, or that an underlying condition was triggered by ingested substances. There are so many that fit the bill it will take a comprehensive screening to determine if and what.

Do you think the PD ordered a blood test? I don't agree with the presenter's assessment. This runs deeper than "never told no growing up."

Some people stay poor their entire live and I can see why.

I'm not sure what the point even is of posting this tbh, there are so many unbalanced people out there and it's not really all that interesting. I feel for the cops dealing with them all.

Man, I don't know how you could watch that video and call those officers hot headed.
And I'm very liberal. Plus, I agree she had a mental health issue.
Do you just come here to pick fights?

I saw a video a few days ago. Girl absolutely flipped out, screaming that the police had no right to speak with her. Ended with her hog tied after assaulting the officers. She screamed at them the entire time. All started because someone asked her to get out of their car, and she refused. Person called the police, and all the police did was asked her to get out of the car and leave. All she had to do was get out and walk away, and she turned it into a felony. Utter entitled moron.

I don't think there should be another implied consent law, but I think the DMV should make you read a printout when getting your DL of what police can do when you're operating a vehicle on a public road and you should have to sign a disclosure that you have read it. It's amazing how many people don't believe police can order you out of your car or that they have to explain everything to you on the side of the road.

Yep, I've seen a bunch of those too. And for anyone that wants to suggest that it's race, most of those are not any minority race. And in almost every case, I'm sure that if they'd just been civil and reasonable and compliant, they'd have had a chat and been on their way.

I saw one the other day, a girl trying to get into a bar or restaurant. The manager wanted her to leave and she refused (manager said that she started a fight/argument with her boyfriend, and they didn't want her there). The cops were called and she started arguing with them, "I know everyone in there. I just live right across the street." She all but said "I'm entitled to be there and there's nothing that anyone can do to revoke my entitlement." She wasn't slurring her speech or anything, but it's possible that she'd been drinking. Still, I've been out drinking at clubs and establishments, and would not have acted that way.

Yeah. It was drilled into us when we were first getting our license that a license to drive was a privilege not a right.

And don't even get me started on the "sovereign citizens" that aren't driving, they are "travelling," and you only need a license if you are driving commercially.

Obviously eugenics is wrong, but sometimes...

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What is wrong with people?

People are human beings.

ALL inherently flawed.

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He's baiting! Don't feed the cat!!!

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That video illustrates when my ambulance gets called to police HQ for a transport to the psych ward.