Washington state is using cell phone data to figure out where people speed
 

They aren't tracking individuals. They are just looking at trends based on bulk data purchase.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a65124453/washington-state-patrol-cell-phone-data-locate-speeding-hot-sport/

lol… Police state.

I will show them, I have my tinfoil hat and faraday cage!!!

Screw with the data set ....

https://www.wired.com/story/99-phones-fake-google-maps-traffic-jam/

Linkie no workie

https://mosequipment.com/collections/faraday-bags

This is the main site

I'll clue them in.... everywhere.

I'm glad I got to live in the time period I did ..

You're not dead yet, fella! But yeah, I understand.

Those old hot rodders were smart to switch to the jet boat scene.

When traffic cameras and cell phone data are used to track down people that open it up…

This is the same data that is harvested from cell phones to feed traffic density information to apps like Ways and Google Maps. Can they target an individual cell phone, track it real time, determine who owns it and send them a ticket? I do not believe they can do that. Yet. Not so much a legal restriction (but it is), but more of a technological one. Yes, they can ping an individual phone, but from there, as far as who owns it, in in possession of it, are they the one driving, etc? Retrospectively, yes, we have seen authorities do that when they have apprehended someone of interest. That's a far different situation, though.

Insurance companies are already providing breaks to drivers who voluntarily provide this information through a monitoring app. "Slippery slope" and all of that, yes. Will we someday be compelled to be monitored in this fashion by our authorities, with ticketing authority and all of that? Guaranteed it's someone's wet dream. They are the ones we follow in the fast lane, who are driving 2 mph under the limit, with nary a car in sight in the lane in front of them.

California has been working on it a while Jeff

Yessir. I need to learn to meditate with this sentiment as my mantra.

I doubt that they can use this data to track individual devices. They could conceivably use tower triangulation to track signal changes and the rate of those changes as the vehicle moves, but it's not exact enough to determine the exact vehicle speed.

Now if the mobile companies could use this potential speeding vehicle info to then access the GPS data in the mobile device they will be able to get (and record) the same detailed vehicle speed information that your phone, or any GPS based apps, can obtain.


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Yes, it's a wet dream for many that see $$$, but I suspect those are the folks that are hauling butt. Then when they get pulled over they give the cop the old, "do you know who I am" spiel because they make the rules.

Out of the folks that are left lane campers, I suspect 95+% of them are clueless goobers that have no idea that they are being twats. Some of those folks may get testy when they realize that other folks are trying to tailgate/push them and think "screw you, you can't make me speed up."

I think it's a tiny minority of them that are thinking "I'm going the speed limit, and no one should ever be going faster than that."

I’ll raise the stakes, all new cars come with cell service. All of this data is logged and would be extremely easy to pull and then fine. Reasonable articulate suspicion? Yeah, speeding…. We saw this avenue abused in federal regulations of new cars…


We’re not even talking about the LE skimmers that intercept communications before it hits a cell tower.

Devil's advocate--can you think of a sound legal reason for this to not be done?

Aside from it being wildly unpopular, of course.

Same reason they don't use ezpass to ticket speeders, it would be so easy to use miles between tolls and distance.

As to those that don't think they can identify individual phones: Stingray Phone Tracker

Police also use real-time license plate scanners. Currently fo find uninsured and unregistered vehicles, but set 2 up at a given distance, and measure the time......

In theory, the data could also be used to validate whether the posted speed limits are appropriate. If there are few incidents but higher speeds, arguably the traffic has proved that maintaining a higher speed is "safe."

(Yes, everyone will joust over how many incidents is too many. Yes, they'll argue that people will just exceed the higher posted speed. Yes, raising the speed limit reduces the revenue. No, it won't happen.)

I'm for technology that identifies drivers doing anything under 75 in the left hand lane on major highways with no traffic and zapping them (space laser, seat zapper?) until they move over to the center or right hand lanes.

And that's why I don't have super powers like Professor X or Magneto...

I had an issue of CarToons magazine years ago that had a feature that was 10-20 different vehicles designed to not have to worry about slow pokes. I remember it vividly.

One was a 50ish Ford like the one below where the "space aged 'jet engine intake'" in the middle of the grill fired a missle that blew up any car that wouldn't get out of the way.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...m_300_pic3.JPG

^^^ I would love one of those!

I have thought of a drone that I could launch from my car that would fly ahead of the offending vehicle and display a digital message to move over. Too many other projects I can't get done, don't need another.

Now yer speaking my language!

Many states actually have what is known as an "80% rule" wherein, by law, they must conduct traffic studies to determine how fast people are driving on a given stretch of roadway.

They do this by first removing speed limit signs. They then monitor speed. Studies have shown that about 80% of us drive at about the same speed, an appropriate, safe speed for that given stretch of road. Imagine that - most of us behave responsibly, even without the Nanny State looking over our shoulders.

The speed limit is then set at that 80% pace. Significant improvements in traffic safety have been realized through these programs. Traffic flows better, fewer people weave in and out of it, and that "boulder in the stream" - that one self righteous fool who insists on going the posted limit, no matter how ludicrously slow that may be, is now actually going with the flow and no longer creating their own sets of problems for everyone else.

You assume that they'd be looking at anything but their phones!

How is it legal for a third party to track your phone?

It's in the EULA for software use. Don't want your location tracked? Don't own a phone.

Edit: That sounded more snarky than intended. I meant it more in the sense of "yes it sucks and there's nothing consumers can really do about it." :(

Don’t drive a new car?!

No they cannot track your phone if you do not consent (this is a third party), in reading their site they are tracking the car not the phone so it still begs the question unless they are the manufacturer of the car cellular radio.

Historic location data collected by providers or apps is available for sale, and that's what is being employed in this case. Cell data not car data.

Which site are you referring to saying they're tracking the car?

Riding the bike home last night a woman almost hit because she was looking at her phone.

I agree on the apps part but the phone makers specifically say they will not sell your location data (i know, I know), Tracking is also illegal in most EU countries.

It's Michelin's site: https://mobilityintelligence.michelin.com/en/products/speed-insights/

Just don't connect your vehicle (no SIM)

the EU has actual consumer and data protection laws.

unlike us here in the USA, where we are so pro-business, we've made your location, and everything else possible, a product for companies to buy and sell.

Don’t think that’s even an option…. Have to physically remove the shark fin gps antenna .

Some of those long straight county roads east of the Cascades…rumor has it those are a great place to go $1.50+ in your P car. Or so I heard.