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Otter74 06-27-2025 10:03 AM

Yikes. Sorry you have to live adjacent to this kind of thing. "My wife beat her unconscious and knocked out three of her teeth." is not a sentence I read very often.

Meth is awful. My cousin got herself hooked on it and her life fell apart to the point that she found herself arrested and in the county jail, where she spent *three years* in pre-trial detention; that's about as ****ed up as meth is, but county jail meant no drugs inside and she completely turned herself around while she was in there. She said she'd probably be dead if she hadn't gotten arrested. I was so impressed with her attitude when I talked to her while she was in, and I'm so proud of what she's done with her life since she got out. Finally living the life she always wanted.

jhynesrockmtn 06-28-2025 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter74 (Post 12488583)
Yikes. Sorry you have to live adjacent to this kind of thing. "My wife beat her unconscious and knocked out three of her teeth." is not a sentence I read very often.

Meth is awful. My cousin got herself hooked on it and her life fell apart to the point that she found herself arrested and in the county jail, where she spent *three years* in pre-trial detention; that's about as ****ed up as meth is, but county jail meant no drugs inside and she completely turned herself around while she was in there. She said she'd probably be dead if she hadn't gotten arrested. I was so impressed with her attitude when I talked to her while she was in, and I'm so proud of what she's done with her life since she got out. Finally living the life she always wanted.

Wow OP, that is a lot of family drama. I agree, your wife is a tough cookie.

Otter, your cousin's recovery is rare. It's a good example of how things can turn out when an addict isn't just allowed to do what they want. Our downtown wouldn't be dying if drug users were not treated in such a lenient manner. I realize jails are full and costly, but the upside is there for some form of forced incarceration. Get treatment while locked up, or stay locked up.

jyl 06-28-2025 08:03 AM

Speeder’s idea is worth pursuing.

speeder 06-28-2025 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 12489054)
Speeder’s idea is worth pursuing.

About the UFC? :)

Otter74 06-28-2025 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn (Post 12489051)
Wow OP, that is a lot of family drama. I agree, your wife is a tough cookie.

Otter, your cousin's recovery is rare. It's a good example of how things can turn out when an addict isn't just allowed to do what they want. Our downtown wouldn't be dying if drug users were not treated in such a lenient manner. I realize jails are full and costly, but the upside is there for some form of forced incarceration. Get treatment while locked up, or stay locked up.

Yeah, it probably is rare. She lost her dad abruptly to pancreatic cancer when she was 12 (he was awesome, and I really miss him) and it started with taking some of his leftover painkillers. Later marijuana (not chemically addicting but if you’re an addictive type you can become mentally addicted to it) and then meth somewhere in her mid to late 20s. That’s what led to a rapid descent where she was involved with someone who was shot and killed and she wound up charged with felony murder (an absurd charge under the circumstances, and the actual killer was released before she was). Her detention for that long was an injustice but it was also one that saved her. It allowed her to detox and then get the treatment she needed. I was amazed at her mental resilience and optimism, she read hundreds of books, went to treatment the whole time and helped her fellow detainees. She was also lucky because she had a loving and supportive family, and a mother who spent her career as a DA, judge and mediator, who knew the local justice system very well and could get a good lawyer for her. She had many friends in there who were very much like her when they came in and had their own journeys towards getting better by the time they were released, but were released with absolutely no one and nothing to support them - you could hardly create better conditions for relapse. I do not think this is a question of leniency, but of giving people the help they need.

jhynesrockmtn 06-28-2025 09:56 AM

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I do not think this is a question of leniency, but of giving people the help they need.
By leniency I mean the city allowing open drug use and camping on the sidewalks and in front of businesses. If viewed using drugs by local cops, they are given a verbal warning and asked to move along. There are no consequences to this behavior. Boise is doing things differently. If caught using in public, they are given a choice. You are getting in that squad car. We'll either take you to an inpatient treatment program or jail. Your choice.

Tobra 07-09-2025 12:49 PM

Turns out, father in law bailed his son out the minute my wife fell asleep. He gave the impression he was on board with the let him dry out in jail plan, then flipped the minute she was out of the picture. I am certain he promised the dying wife he would bail the son out of jail as needed. He is asking my wife if she will take care of her brother when it is just the two of them left, not going to happen.

I do not see an end game. Her father will not move to California. He has family in Florida and is willing to move there, but is not ready to yet. Even if he were, they are all pretty damn old too. Power of attorney or getting him declared incompetent would solve a lot of problems, but she won't get him declared incompetent, and he is wanting assurances we won't kick the drug addicts out immediately The wife is burned out and ready to come home, got the death certificate and handled all the stuff they were waiting on. Problem is, her brother boxed her ears when they were fighting and messed her up, can't fly. Even with him fighting dirty, she still beat his ass

Amtrak would work, but when I told her how much it was, she balked, because it is so much more than flying, and will take 2 days. I would certainly enjoy that trip. She remains reluctant to leave her dad with a houseful of druggies next door.

The wife is as pretty tough chick. Mess with her family or her dog and you are on the wrong side of a bad situation. She keeps telling me she wants to punch someone in the face. I keep telling her that has not helped so far. She needs to tell him all about their mother begging to see him for weeks and he never came. He needs to know that she was hanging on in excruciating pain for weeks, hoping to see her son again. I could not live with something like that. If she reminds him of it often, it will hurt him much more than another beating.

At this point, neither of us care about the house, just want her dad to be okay. Tough working out how to make that happen. He plans to give my wife everything in the will. One way or another the Crystal Methodist clan is out, sooner or later.


If only I were ready to retire. I may just retire anyway. Don't need the money, but there will be a whole lot of unhappy people when I quit

KFC911 07-09-2025 12:56 PM

Damn Toby. Your last sentence will always apply imo. You and she will figure it out... best to you all!

onewhippedpuppy 07-09-2025 02:00 PM

Some people you just can’t save. To a lesser extent that seems relevant to your wife’s father as well. But also easier said than done.

Tobra 07-14-2025 06:48 PM

Sunday, 0400, wife is awakened by disturbance in hallway, then a flashlight in her face and people yelling don't as she is reacting how you react to that sort of thing. She figures out it is cops before she grabs the .45 next to the bed. Both of them are in handcuffs. Father in law is understandably un-happy, with these MFers in his house pointing guns at his daughter. They are yelling he is a felon, he can't have all these guns, they search the house, take all the firearms, take all of the prescriptions my wife has, with her name on the bottles, and take the father in law to jail. Wife bails him out within a few hours, $3600 later brings him home.

Less than 12 hours later, John Law returns to apologize, and arrest the brother in law, who they were coming to get on Sunday morning. Turns out, they had a warrant for the third, brother in law, not Jr, the father in law. They went to get him at the house he owns, where he has not lived for 10 or 15 years, but he was not home. They find an old electric bill, that my mother in law was paying for him, so it came to her house. They serve the warrant on the wrong house and took an 84 year old man away when they were coming to get a 53 year old man. They returned all but two of the firearms, threw them on the garage floor. Probably 2/3 of the firearms were scoped rifles. I can't imagine any of them were undamaged. They took the brother in law away during the day Sunday

They returned my wife's prescriptions, eventually, after they asked for them when they called to ask about the missing firearms.

Wife does not want me calling the Sheriff, which is probably wise. I need to find an attorney to call him.

javadog 07-14-2025 07:59 PM

Wow.

HobieMarty 07-14-2025 08:59 PM

Man, that's a lot of stuff to deal with. Good luck to you and your wife with all that.

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KFC911 07-15-2025 12:27 AM

Wow ... your wife is lucky to be alive :(! If LEO gets the wrong address (or the identity) and enters most of our houses like that ...well... my dog would be dead and probably me too. I just can't fathom this...

Get going Toby, figure something out ... and fast.

Best to you all!

onewhippedpuppy 07-15-2025 03:26 AM

I would get her the hell out of there fast. Not absolving the cops from making a HUGE mistake but the company you keep tends to make these things more likely.

wilnj 07-15-2025 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 12498203)
I would get her the hell out of there fast. Not absolving the cops from making a HUGE mistake but the company you keep tends to make these things more likely.

This. It's gone from expensive and exhausting to dangerous.

Arizona_928 07-15-2025 11:22 AM

Wait, LE executing a no knock early dawn search warrant on the wrong house…

How and why… sounds like they’re the type to shoot first and ask questions later. Talk about a lawsuit from civil rights being violated…

But then again, YouTube is full of videos of leo swatting the wrong house (completely wrong house numbers) and leo apologizing and paying for their busted in door.

gsxrken 07-15-2025 12:08 PM

From my standpoint your duty is to get your wife out of danger. Whether she wants to or not.
Something terrible could happen, easily.
FIL is secondary.

masraum 07-15-2025 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 12498121)
Sunday, 0400, wife is awakened by disturbance in hallway, then a flashlight in her face and people yelling don't....

Holy crap, dude! Is there any way that you can talk the wife into leaving? Her dad doesn't really seem to want help. I suspect if you told her to come home, she wouldn't. I don't think my wife would.

The most important thing is, I'm glad that your wife is OK, and the nighttime raid didn't go worse. It could have gone so much worse. A few damaged guns is nothing in the scheme of how it could have gone.

onewhippedpuppy 07-15-2025 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxrken (Post 12498485)
From my standpoint your duty is to get your wife out of danger. Whether she wants to or not.
Something terrible could happen, easily.
FIL is secondary.

That would be my perspective as well. Just from what is posted here the situation seems to be escalating and the father feels bound by a promise made to his now dead wife to keep bailing out the druggies. She may not want to admit it, but she’s likely powerless in this situation. Druggie loser brother probably knows from experience that he can simply wait her out, he’s not going anywhere and the father isn’t going to change.

masraum 07-15-2025 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 12498571)
That would be my perspective as well. Just from what is posted here the situation seems to be escalating and the father feels bound by a promise made to his now dead wife to keep bailing out the druggies. She may not want to admit it, but she’s likely powerless in this situation. Druggie loser brother probably knows from experience that he can simply wait her out, he’s not going anywhere and the father isn’t going to change.

Yeah. To me she's in the same position as if she was trying to help an addict that didn't want to be helped. She's not going to accomplish anything other than being there during more drama that has the potential to be harmful to her in one way or another.


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