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Turn rotor necessary?
Its that time again for new pads on my Cayman S. Rotors were new from my last pad changed. I have some free time in the up coming weeks so rolling up my sleeves soon. Over the years, pads were replaced on my other cars with both turned rotors and many times during my poor years in college, the pads got replaced no turning of any rotors. Tell you the truth, I can't tell the differences or jsut maybe I don't drive them hard enough? Thoughts? I just too lazy to remove the rotor and no one turns them now?
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If they are not warped (pulsating pedal), there is no reason to machine them true as they are.
Side note - I like ceramic pads as they do not dirty up everything so bad, and do stop the cars better |
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I never turn rotors anymore. They usually wear even and are cheap enough to replace when worn down. I usually get two sets of pads per rotor and this includes my Cayman which is about 90% track car now.
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Porsche uses good material that does not corrode easily which is another plus. However, refaced rotors will give a nice surface to bed the pads into. There are several reasons in the rust belt to reface rotors. One is the outer rotor lip rusts and when you put new stainless retaining clips in for new pads the rust may rub on the retainers. Also, I usually remove the caliper bracket and remove the rust on the retaining clip faces so they (and the pads) fit properly. Since the bracket is off the rotor can come off "easily" and I use a needle scaler to smooth the mounting surface for the lathe. There is usually plenty of rust scale to remove (mainly on the side walls up into the fins). I pay $12 per rotor to get turned. |
It is almost impossible to find anyone to cut rotors around here anymore.
There's one guy on FB marketplace that does it out of his house. . |
I would say buy a brake lathe as there are lots for sale on F.B.. I have seen them cheaper than 400!
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If their thickness is still above spec, don't replace them. The rotors may even have depth indicators on them so you know when to replace them (little dimples in the face of the rotor that are at the depth of the spec, my wife's MB has them and they're kind of convenient).
A note on pulsing. The rotors aren't warped unless they've been on fire, it's just pad material. Try a pad bedding procedure to heat up the deposited pad material and scrub it off. |
Pulsing can also be caused by a bent hub.
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Anyone tried EBC pads. Any thoughts on Ceramic pads?
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Same with a pulsing pedal, it was always pad material on the rotor, never warped one. |
I've had rotors (and even drums) turned several times. I've had economy cars where I could replace the rotors for $10-20, so I did that. I've gotten to the point that I generally just slap the new pads in because the rotors are worn smoothly and evenly. Even if they have some mild axial grooving, the new pads conform to those grooves so quickly that it doesn't seem to matter or affect performance.
What's shocking, is the range of prices of parts available for my '08 Box S. For the fronts, the price seems to always vary between the right and left which is extra weird. On Pelican, the prices range from $42ea up to $337ea for the front rotors. I know the stock is drilled. THere are also slotted available, and half a dozen brands. I keep hearing/reading that ceramic is the way to go to reduce the amount of brake dust. |
I find the whole " rotors do not warp, its just pad material deposits " theory interesting .
As someone who has turned thousands of rotors in my life, I will wholeheartedly say, that rotors do indeed warp. You can literally see the run out when you chock them up on the brake lathe, and bring the cutting bits close to the rotor surface . I don't cut rotors anymore, but when I did, it was pretty rare for rotors to clean up without taking at least 5 thousandths off each side . It was not pad material I was removing, it was metal . |
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They definitely warp, but it, as you know, is very dependent on who made them.
The chineeease crap warps on deliovery. |
I jsut look at Rock auto. They are stupid cheap compared to dealers. Anyone know anything about Powerstop carbon ceramic pads? For the same amount of money, Brembo is also what I was considering.
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I have power stop ceramic on my son's Rav. The one thing I notice is a bit more brake noise. But he has four 10" subwoofers in the back so we can make that problem disappear.
On the turn v no turn, I'm in the no turn group as long as there's no odd wear on the rotor. If they're smooth, I'll slap new pads on and not think twice about it. |
I'm old school and would have them turned, just to give the new pads a nice surface to bed into. If not turning them, at least scuff them up a tad as a shiny surface isn't going to bed very well, it'll just glaze over.
I hate it when the shop doing the turning just cranks in .010-.015" on the tool without giving any consideration to making the rotor last a little bit longer. |
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Really nice was his response just now. I'm embellishing/name dropping a bit to lend credibility, nothing more. I would love to get them for my "new" 99 RAV 4 AND the calipers. How cool would that be? |
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