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Tidybuoy 07-16-2025 10:35 AM

Sabbath Mode on my New Oven
 
I'm installing a new wall oven and I was reading the installation book - I noticed that this oven has "Sabbath Mode". What is that? Does anybody know and why?

Just wondering...

Zeke 07-16-2025 10:38 AM

Wouldn't that be to power it down as per religious belief? I believe it would keep settings as opposed to turning off the breaker.

masraum 07-16-2025 10:48 AM

I'm pretty sure that there's something about Jewish folks not being able to use electricity on the weekends or something like that. Some refrigerators also have a Sabbath mode. They keep your stuff cold. Maybe the light doesn't come on inside too.

We bought a fridge probably 17-20 years ago that had a Sabbath mode. I thought it was interesting and looked it up.

Another thing that I learned about while watching a Real Estate reality show on HGTV years ago is that there are rules that have to be adhered to for a kitchen to be Kosher, which means that a lot of stuff needs to be duplicated.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4639764/jewish/What-Is-a-Kosher-Kitchen.htm

Quote:

A kosher kitchen is a kitchen in which food is prepared according to the Jewish kosher dietary laws. Some basic elements of the kosher kitchen:
  • Meat and dairy are kept strictly separate.
  • Only kosher ingredients are used.
  • Any traces of non-kosher have been purged from the kitchen utensils and surfaces before they can be used.
  • In a commercial setting, careful watch is maintained to ensure that everything remains kosher.

What Is Kosher?
  • Meat and milk are never combined. Separate utensils are used for each, and a waiting period is observed between eating them.
  • Certain species of animals (and their eggs and milk) are permitted for consumption, while others are forbidden—notably pork and shellfish. Some fish are also forbidden.
  • Meat must come from animals that are slaughtered in a specific (and painless) manner known as shechitah, and parts of the animal (including the blood and certain fats) must be removed in a specific manner.
  • Raw fruits, vegetables and grains are basically always kosher, but must be insect-free. Wine and grape juice have unique laws and must be certified kosher.
  • Since even a small trace of a non-kosher substance can render a food not kosher, all processed foods require certification by a reliable rabbi or kosher supervision agency.

I never had much/any interaction with anyone Jewish growing up. I'm not sure if I ever met or knew anyone that was Jewish until starting the job that I'm at now, so that means that I would have been in my 40s. And even then, I never really hear anything about it. Most of my knowledge comes from TV or movies or stuff that I've read when curious about things.

masraum 07-16-2025 10:49 AM

Yep
https://www.whirlpool.com/blog/kitchen/what-is-sabbath-mode.html

Quote:


During the Sabbath or Shabbat, and religious holidays in Judaism, there may be restrictions on certain activities that can extend to the use of appliances. Restrictions may include turning appliances on or off, using control panels or activating lights and sounds.

Sabbath Mode enables the operation of household appliances in compliance with certain Jewish laws. When appliances are put into Sabbath Mode, certain features may be modified or disabled to accommodate these religious practices.
What appliances have a Sabbath Mode?

Sabbath Mode can be found on a number of appliances, including some refrigerators, ovens, ranges and wine refrigerators. Select Whirlpool brand appliances with Sabbath Mode are STAR-K certified. When an appliance is STAR-K certified, it has met certain requirements to be considered Kosher. An appliance with Sabbath Mode can function like a Kosher appliance.

pavulon 07-16-2025 10:59 AM

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herr_oberst 07-16-2025 11:31 AM

Actually, it flips a switch that sends a text message to a Shabbos Goy, who can come over and turn the oven on, thereby allowing the Jewish owner of the stove to keep Shabbat.

Tidybuoy 07-16-2025 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 12498981)
Actually, it flips a switch that sends a text message to a Shabbos Goy, who can come over and turn the oven on, thereby allowing the Jewish owner of the stove to keep Shabbat.

And submit their invoice.

rwest 07-16-2025 12:00 PM

I worked for a city that had a large Jewish population and there was an issue with them having to pick up a lobby phone to get police help. I did a little bit of research and my basic understanding is that it comes from an ancient idea of not “moving the flame” they can leave lights or appliances on during the sabbath, but can’t turn them on or off.

Motion sensing lights are a bit problematic for them.

We literally put a bell above the ceiling of the dispatch room with a pull cord out in the lobby for them to pull.

They did have reasonable exceptions like if it was an emergency, they could use their phone to call the police, fire or ambulance.

wdfifteen 07-16-2025 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12498950)

I never had much/any interaction with anyone Jewish growing up. I'm not sure if I ever met or knew anyone that was Jewish until starting the job that I'm at now, so that means that I would have been in my 40s. And even then, I never really hear anything about it.

My best friend in college is Jewish. I went home with him to visit his family on school breaks on many occasions. They were reformed Jews. I don't know all the rules for the various levels of commitment to the original laws, but they loved their BBQ ribs and bacon. Mrs Sherman's parents escaped Stalin in Russia, and some old family recipes were, um, "interesting." We had tongue sandwiches for lunch one afternoon. It was actually pretty good after I stopped thinking about how I was chewing on a cow's tongue and paid attention to the flavor.

masraum 07-16-2025 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 12499007)
My best friend in college is Jewish. I went home with him to visit his family on school breaks on many occasions. They were reformed Jews. I don't know all the rules for the various levels of commitment to the original laws, but they loved their BBQ ribs and bacon. Mrs Sherman's parents escaped Stalin in Russia, and some old family recipes were, um, "interesting." We had tongue sandwiches for lunch one afternoon. It was actually pretty good after I stopped thinking about how I was chewing on a cow's tongue and paid attention to the flavor.

I'm guessing that folks that eat ribs and bacon are not terribly concerned with mixing milk and meat.

I had tongue a couple of times when on a boat in the Amazon. It was very tasty. It's the texture that gets me. I'll eat it if it's placed in front of me, but I wouldn't ever ask for it. Maybe in a sandwich the texture wouldn't bother me as much.

KFC911 07-16-2025 12:24 PM

I just learned something new!

.... my appliances have always been heathens ;)

red-beard 07-16-2025 12:30 PM

Is it Black?

stevej37 07-16-2025 12:32 PM

My mother packed our lunches with beef tongue sandwiches at least twice a week...we loved them.
Sliced about 1/4 inch thick with mayo on white bread.

The only bad part was when she cooked the tongue the night before. The boiling water smelled bad.

look 171 07-16-2025 01:22 PM

I thought it would blast black Sabbath's first album as you cook your favorite meal. Haven't heard that or read that, interesting.

masraum 07-16-2025 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 12499029)
My mother packed our lunches with beef tongue sandwiches at least twice a week...we loved them.
Sliced about 1/4 inch thick with mayo on white bread.

The only bad part was when she cooked the tongue the night before. The boiling water smelled bad.

halitosis!

stevej37 07-16-2025 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12499065)
halitosis!

If you have seen where a cow's tongue has been....

After cooking (boiling), the outer skin was always peeled off in one or two pieces and thrown away. It's a very tender meat...and tasty.:)

KFC911 07-16-2025 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 12499027)
Is it Black?

That be sorta Paranoid...

TimT 07-16-2025 02:23 PM

Quote:

Actually, it flips a switch that sends a text message to a Shabbos Goy, who can come over and turn the oven on, thereby allowing the Jewish owner of the stove to keep Shabbat.
Actually this is pretty accurate.. Me a Protestant (Episcopalian) have some very good friends of mine were raised Conservative Jews.. they strictly observed the sabbath .. It was funny because if I was at there place Friday after sundown, or on Saturday until Sundown.. they would not flip a light switch, answer the phone etc... but since I was Goy I could flip switches answer there phone.. Turn on the guitar amps (my friends are amazing musicians)

I was a Goy who turned the lights, A/C, stove on and off...

Even in the most conservative neighborhoods they have a workaround the, "Eruv"

Its basically an defined boundary agreed to by the community where certain Sabbath rules are waived

Wiki: Eruvim


I know this post was pure religion... but it is just information..

masraum 07-16-2025 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 12499075)
If you have seen where a cow's tongue has been....

After cooking (boiling), the outer skin was always peeled off in one or two pieces and thrown away. It's a very tender meat...and tasty.:)

Yes, super tender and tasty. I would agree.

masraum 07-16-2025 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimT (Post 12499105)
Actually this is pretty accurate.. Me a Protestant (Episcopalian) have some very good friends of mine were raised Conservative Jews.. they strictly observed the sabbath .. It was funny because if I was at there place Friday after sundown, or on Saturday until Sundown.. they would not flip a light switch, answer the phone etc... but since I was Goy I could flip switches answer there phone.. Turn on the guitar amps (my friends are amazing musicians)

I was a Goy who turned the lights, A/C, stove on and off...

Even in the most conservative neighborhoods they have a workaround the, "Eruv"

Its basically an defined boundary agreed to by the community where certain Sabbath rules are waived

Wiki: Eruvim


I know this post was pure religion... but it is just information..

Cool, thanks for the info. Like I said, I have had minimal experience with Jews, so this sort of info is very interesting to me.

Alan A 07-16-2025 03:18 PM

There’s always a workaround…

As a [strict] Jewish friend once observed - that’s why we have so many rabbis and lawyers, everyone’s looking for a loophole…

She was fully kosher - two fridges, two sets of dishes, no shrimpses, beef cooked to death…

jrj3rd 07-16-2025 03:20 PM

My Viking has Sabbath mode. When set it will keep the temperature at whatever temp was set prior to turning on Sabbath mode. Also the oven light will not come on when the door is open and you cannot change the temperature without turning off the Sabbath mode.
Assume that it allows for cooking during Sabbath without operating controls and violating a Sabbath law.

1990C4S 07-17-2025 04:00 AM

In Israel some buildings/hotels have Sabbath mode for their elevators. They go up and down all day, stopping at every floor. Very annoying and slow, but no buttons have to be pushed.

A930Rocket 07-17-2025 04:21 AM

I didn’t understand at the time, but we built a house years ago, and they requested two dishwashers.

Eating a tongue?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1752754874.jpg

id10t 07-17-2025 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan A (Post 12499146)
There’s always a workaround…

As a [strict] Jewish friend once observed - that’s why we have so many rabbis and lawyers, everyone’s looking for a loophole…

She was fully kosher - two fridges, two sets of dishes, no shrimpses, beef cooked to death…

Yup.

Was raised conservative but thankfully it didn't stick...

Separate dishes, etc. for meat and milk. A second set of them for Passover (no leavened products, etc).

Reform are the easy going non-strict

Conservatives are more strict and tend to try and keep kosher, etc. but do not take it to extremes, though some do

Orthodox are very strict


One of the more orthodox members of our local synagogue is a die hard Gator Football fan. He's had an arrangement since the 60s to show up Friday afternoon, show his ticket, etc. so on Saturday he can go to main office and bypass ticket gate, so he doesn't have to carry the ticket or cause the ticket-taker to work. Why yes, Howard is indeed a lawyer, how did you know? :D

VINMAN 07-17-2025 06:29 AM

We have a very large Jewish community near me. A good friend has a sweet gig going, she actually goes around to different households and turns stuff on and off for them
Makes nice coin doing it too.

.

rwest 07-17-2025 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VINMAN (Post 12499363)
We have a very large Jewish community near me. A good friend has a sweet gig going, she actually goes around to different households and turns stuff on and off for them
Makes nice coin doing it too.

.

Never ceases to amaze me how people try to find get arounds and loopholes in their God’s orders. I have to imagine that isn’t going to go over good on judgement day!

Dixie 07-17-2025 10:36 AM

My dinner cooked using the Black Sabbath mode on my oven.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1752777359.jpg

matthewb0051 07-17-2025 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 12499007)
My best friend in college is Jewish. I went home with him to visit his family on school breaks on many occasions. They were reformed Jews. I don't know all the rules for the various levels of commitment to the original laws, but they loved their BBQ ribs and bacon. Mrs Sherman's parents escaped Stalin in Russia, and some old family recipes were, um, "interesting." We had tongue sandwiches for lunch one afternoon. It was actually pretty good after I stopped thinking about how I was chewing on a cow's tongue and paid attention to the flavor.

That's called 'lengua' here. Frickin awesome on tacos. I never give it a second thought and is actually one of my go to orders.

matthewb0051 07-17-2025 11:13 AM

Good, but fictional, film about an Orthodox Community in London. Staring Mrs. James Bond.

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aschen 07-17-2025 12:05 PM

Im glad Im not the only one that had the first thought of : Hopefully it blasts Ozzy at 106dB


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