This could have gone badly if they were real LEOs
 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/2-men-claiming-police-shot-killed-homeowner-authorities-say

That’s a heartwarming story. Real police wouldn’t just start shooting into the house. Well hopefully not…

Thank you Mr Homeowner for saving the taxpayers millions of dollars in trials and prison!

Maybe others will learn from this. But I doubt it.

He was a smart man. Good shooting!

LOL… Errr maybe, maybe not.


I think this issue has compounded with the whole ghost and unmarked le running around. A nefarious squad of guys can run mayhem wearing the appropriate clothing.

IIRC Indiana passed a law a while back that basically states "if you have no reasonable belief that you would be subject to a warrant, shooting back is OK"

Granted, if it really were the cops on a wrong address/bad info no-nock raid you probably won't live to see a judge about it, but ....

A crime and two deaths. “Heartwarming” indeed.

Good guys = 2
Bad guys = 0

There are two human being who prey on others with deadly force, who started this whole event, who are now dead.

So yes, heartwarming that these two are no longer around to harm others.

Or:

Two lives (or more) saved.

And a crime averted.

I suppose all's well that ends well but both sides fired blindly? Fortunately no one else was hit.

Two innocent people saved from two criminals. What a strange, warped perspective. Do you think they were showing up at night with guns, impersonating police, and then blindly shooting into the home of innocent citizens because they were Jehova’s Witnesses?

They were just misunderstood young men that needed a little understanding (9mm) and compassion (.45)

The only unfortunate bit of the story is that the home owner now has to live with what happened. I've never shot or killed anyone. My thought is that killing someone in self defense should not haunt you. But I suspect that as a human, killing another human, probably does haunt you no matter the reason. I'm sure it would impact some folks more than others. There probably are some folks that would not be impacted under specific circumstances. I suspect there are folks that would be negatively impacted regardless of the circumstances.

agreed...one of those things you never know until it's you....I hope it's never me.

I totally agree. I work with and am friends with a number of ex-military, SOF, and PD type folks. It’s not something to be taken lightly, those ghosts haunt you for years.

Good bullet proof vests, but certainly not great bullet proof vests.

I'm not aware of a situation that ended in a gunfight like this, but there have been instances of people imitating ICE agents robbing people and committing sexual assault.

This whole masked officers not identifying themselves thing going on needs to be put to bed ASAP.

Nothing is bullet proof, only bullet resistant. Somewhere, there is always a bigger bullet.

or more slippery...

Aren't there some bullets that are designed specifically to go through bullet proof vests?

Teflon coated bullets defies the physics of body armor. The only bullets meant to penetrate soft level 3 is the 5.7. Iirc, they don’t have to be ap as they’re flying fast enough.

I thought I'd heard it was teflon coated bullets, but I wasn't positive and didn't want to say anything if it had been something from Lethal Weapon or something like that, LOL. And right, big enough, fast enough bullet and you're screwed.

Kinda. Speed / hardness of the material… I wonder how a moissanite sabot would perform.

You don't need armor piercing ammo. We've been told :rolleyes: that a simple 9mm handgun ammo will "blow out a lung"

Even in a no-knock situation like serving a warrant on a dangerous suspect, police will still identify themselves. Not to mention marking on their vests, badges, and cars with lights. This even pertains to the “jump out boys” that will take people down on the street. Let’s not forget this wasn’t SWAT knocking down someone’s door, this was two men knocking on the door of a residence at night. No reason why real PD wouldn’t have immediately identified themselves.

Show us one. Such an incident would without a doubt make headline news across the nation.

Nonsense. This whole no-knock raid thing needs to stop. This is an entirely different issue from LEO seeking to protect their identity. I don't expect you to understand why, but everyone else will.

Pretty sad when police have to conceal their identity to protect their families, and criminals don’t. Strange world we live in. My BIL is ICE, those who target law enforcement and their families can pretty well burn in hell.

Policing in America is interesting. They directly **** where they eat… imo, it has become all barnie and no Andy. Prevalence of malfeasance doesn’t help sway public opinion (scotty scheffler anyone).

Same with firefighters and the nationwide PFAS contamination. However, that’s a bit unfair as they at least didn’t know they were poisoning everyone’s drinking water (unlike monsanto) and were often the target of the corporate greed.