Leno's law shot down

[RANDY P]

Originally Posted by speeder

No, I own a couple of trailers including an Airstream and an Airstream motor home but I live in an apartment. I like it a lot. I’d live in a tent here before living in Phoenix, though, even if you gave me a free house. What an ungodly schithole.

I’m glad you experienced indoor plumbing. Better late than never, I guess

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Mahler9th

Please note that the Bill was apparently not "voted down."

It appears to have been stopped on its path in a step related to "appropriations," which can likely happen in any sausage-making process.

It appears that if this is true, it is only true for this year's session and in the form at the time it was stopped.

If it was stopped in "appropriations," one might find some related analysis information on gubment web site.

I did.

And I read it.

Thanks. I have to say that you are about 3 or 4 steps beyond what most of the people in this thread have ever accomplished wrt information gathering. They read something on a weird anti-government site or in a chain email sent out to chimps, (or simply skip that step and read it regurgitated here after being translated by someone who got the email), then form whatever opinion the weird site has fed them. These are people who hate government because they don't understand how it works and do not know how to govern at the elected representative level. So therefore, they are especially susceptible to being misinformed and mislead by whomever is pulling their strings.

Still, thanks for trying. That's more than I've ever done, considering it a lost cause.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by RANDY P

I’m glad you experienced indoor plumbing. Better late than never, I guess

I've never been without shelter and all of its accoutrements in my life, what are you blathering on about?

Are you alright? Do we need to send out a welfare check/visit?

I might be a little slow on the draw here, (wouldn't be the first time), but I think that you are using as a forum put-down or burn that maybe I'm poor? That would be a strange insult and one that I've only seen from people with extremely mediocre stations in life themselves. No one who is crushing it ever says that.

[RANDY P]

You’re sharp! If you’re happy, I’m happy Denis

Have a nice day

[OT+PARF Moderator 2]

Get this back on track.

[Crowbob]

Mahler9th-

“I see words like "oppressive, arbitrary and capricious," and "tyranny," and yet it does not appear, at least to me, that folks using such words have any idea what happened to this Bill.”

I appreciate you having prefaced this with the advisory that amounts to your concession that most of us posting here are not lawyers. Nevertheless, the minutia of the law is not what concerns us but rather the effect of the law, not the law itself.

[Mahler9th]

"Mahler9th-

“I see words like "oppressive, arbitrary and capricious," and "tyranny," and yet it does not appear, at least to me, that folks using such words have any idea what happened to this Bill.”

I appreciate you having prefaced this with the advisory that amounts to your concession that most of us posting here are not lawyers. Nevertheless, the minutia of the law is not what concerns us but rather the effect of the law, not the law itself."

I don't know who "us" is. Don't care.

To what "law" do you refer? To what "law" did someone refer in this thread using terms like "tyranny?"

There are existing laws.

Do folks know what they are?

I was not sure so I posted that, for example, my 1975 911 is smog exempt. It has been smog exempt for many years... but for the first few years after I bought it it was not exempt.

I had nothing to do with that change.

SB 712 was an attempt to change at least some of the existing laws.

SB 712 was not "shot down."

Not sure what you mean by "minutia."

Seems black and white to me.

CA house and senate members voted to approve/move SB 712 forward, not "shoot it down."

As part of their processes, folks in favor and folks opposed got to "weigh in."

Folks can watch some of the related public comments via you tube videos. I posted a link to one video that included Leno.

SB 712 appears to have gotten stopped at the "appropriations" step.

That appears to be a step where a number of known/presumed/assumed financial impacts are discussed. Likely not for just a single Bill.

I have NOT vetted this information but consider this possibility (from an AI search):

"For example, during the 2023-24 Legislative Session, the Assembly Appropriations Committee reviewed 5,525 bills, demonstrating the considerable workload of the committee that crosses all policy jurisdictions."

The "suspense file": A large number of bills are quietly killed by placing them on the committee's "suspense file". For example, in April 2025, several hundred bills were moved to the suspense file in the Assembly and Senate appropriations committees.

I don't think one needs to be a lawyer to understand that this part of the sausage-making process, and sausage business management process exists.

And I don't think there is any "minutia" to consider.

I have been using the same smog shop for about 10 years. Right at the beginning, the owners helped my next door neighbor. Her husband had died and left a 1986 911 to his granddaughter, who was at UCLA at the time. Neither the widow, nor the daughter or granddaughter could drive a manual transmission vehicle, and it was a bit hard to get that car to pass.

We endured.

The widow and I were so thankful that we bought a bottle of champagne for the owners because they were just getting married.

Now they have three daughters and an expanded business.

When they moved into a larger space, it was a real pain for them to move their rolling smog rig, and apparently maintenance costs have risen sharply.

I don't think the gubment requires them to offer rolling smog services.

So let's see.

Leno's testimony suggests that in his area (likely SoCal), it is getting harder and harder to find rolling smog shops.

I suspect the writing is on the wall...

Here is a quote from an AI search:

"Q: Are smog shops with ability to test older cars getting harder to find in CA"

A: Yes, it is getting harder to find smog shops in California with the specialized equipment needed to test older cars built before 2000
. The state's smog program is shifting towards modern diagnostic methods for newer vehicles, leading to a decline in the availability and maintenance of older testing machines."

Here is a link to some related info:

https://www.bar.ca.gov/arsc/newsletters/newsletter/spring-2025/exploring-future-solutions-for-pre-obd-vehicle-inspections

Not vetted, but perhaps logical.

I do not know if CA senate appropriations considered this... or if they had jurisdiction to do so.

I am not an attorney, nor a sausage factor c-suite exec, nor a sausage maker.

[Tobra]

I told y'all this never had a chance because they would never give up the money.

GD hilarious that an ostensibly grown ass man living in an apartment would talk any sort of trash to a homeowner living anywhere on the planet.

Originally Posted by Scott Watkins

"Typical of the people running things here."

No sir 100% the responsibility of the California voters. If the folks want something different in California, they'd educate themselves and vote accordingly.

Ignorant post of the decade.


It is getting harder to find a place to smog test an older car and costs significantly more. Older cars don't have high registration fees like newer ones, so why would the state want them on the road at all?

This NEVER had anything to do with the environment. It makes more sense if you start there.

[Mahler9th]

"This NEVER had anything to do with the environment."

Not sure what is meant by "this."

If the rolling exemption had been preserved, the current cut off might be something like 1990.

As I posted earlier, interested folks can find some "perspective" on why the Terminator signed off to terminate that rolling structure...

For example:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-sep-24-me-arnold24-story.html

I suspect that legislative information about AB 2683 (2004) is available on the CA legis info site.

[KNS]

By "rolling smog services" is that meant to be like a rolling road under the drive wheels rather than plugging into an OBD port?

Strangely, here in the Denver area, which closely follows CARB style emissions, I have to put my 2004 BMW on a rolling road and a sniffer in the exhaust pipe during emissions testing. They could plug it into the OBDII port but don't. I've also noticed that every year the tolerances for passing become more and more strict.

[Deschodt]

Originally Posted by KNS

By "rolling smog services" is that meant to be like a rolling road under the drive wheels rather than plugging into an OBD port?

Strangely, here in the Denver area, which closely follows CARB style emissions, I have to put my 2004 BMW on a rolling road and a sniffer in the exhaust pipe during emissions testing. They could plug it into the OBDII port but don't. I've also noticed that every year the tolerances for passing become more and more strict.

Be grateful. My 03 M3 is tested via odb2 and visual inspection. But if you unplug the battery for any reason the car will never be ready for a test and fail. The drive cycle required is pure masochistic hell. At least if your car is clean it’ll pass. Mine can be perfect but if the ECU flags say not ready, no pass.

[KNS]

^^
Deschodt,

Interesting info - I may be good for now but the limits get tighter and tighter every time (for the Porsche too). Eventually neither one of them will pass even though they're not putting out higher numbers out the tailpipe.

[Tobra]

Mike, it was always about money and control.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Tobra

I told y'all this never had a chance because they would never give up the money.

GD hilarious that an ostensibly grown ass man living in an apartment would talk any sort of trash to a homeowner living anywhere on the planet.


Ignorant post of the decade.


It is getting harder to find a place to smog test an older car and costs significantly more. Older cars don't have high registration fees like newer ones, so why would the state want them on the road at all?

This NEVER had anything to do with the environment. It makes more sense if you start there.

What a dipshyt. There are apartments that rent for $30k a month in LA and NY, you think that any loser who owns a house in some crap place has a better life than anyone living in an apartment? That tracks from an anti-vax phony healthcare worker.

I love my apartment. I could easily be a home owner in someplace I don't want to live, like where you are.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by KNS

By "rolling smog services" is that meant to be like a rolling road under the drive wheels rather than plugging into an OBD port?

Strangely, here in the Denver area, which closely follows CARB style emissions, I have to put my 2004 BMW on a rolling road and a sniffer in the exhaust pipe during emissions testing. They could plug it into the OBDII port but don't. I've also noticed that every year the tolerances for passing become more and more strict.

The testing format varies with the age of the vehicle, some newer ones only need to be plugged in to a scanner and older ones need the rolling road with exhaust sniffer. There is supposed to be a visual inspection for all original emissions equipment intact but I've seen the techs really skip over that. Just depends on who is doing the test.

[OT+PARF Moderator 2]

Back in the High Life, Again.

All the doors I closed one time
Will open up again
I'll be back in the high life again

Play nice.

[Noah930]

Well, at some point people are going to start businesses just to register (old) cars in the rural counties where no smogging is required. Like Bishop or Mammoth.

[varmint]

Originally Posted by speeder

What a dipshyt. There are apartments that rent for $30k a month in LA

Beverly Hills is a machine designed by realtors and plastic surgeons to suck money from morons.

[Mahler9th]

"Beverly Hills is a machine designed by realtors and plastic surgeons to suck money from morons."

Knew of few of the plastics back in the day... my company sold them equipment.

I did not like that industry.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by varmint

Beverly Hills is a machine designed by realtors and plastic surgeons to suck money from morons.

I don’t disagree with you. I will say that you tend to see a lot more cosmetic surgery in places with rich ugly people like BH. Not so much in my area. FWIW, there are $30k a month apartments in my neighborhood. If you want to see the really pricey ones, look up 10000 Santa Monica Blvd. on the border of BH and Century City.

NYC has $100M penthouse apartments, (you have to buy them there). Some people really like apartment living, including me. It’s beautiful and has underground parking and a pool. 1920s building and most of the car paparazzi photos I’ve posted were taken about a mile away in Larchmont Village. It could be worse, I could be in Phoenix.