For All You Gun Owners...

MotoSook · 07-25-2003, 08:48 AM

http://humor.gryphontech.com/pilots/

Jim Richards · 07-25-2003, 09:11 AM

Souk, I'm a little slow. Care to explain?

tabs · 07-25-2003, 10:03 AM

"Common on Mohamed prepare to met Allah"

MotoSook · 07-25-2003, 10:38 AM

Jim, it's a video of a commercial pilot giving the "we are at 30,000 feet" routine..then he goes on to announce he's armed with this and the co-pilot has that handgun..

just though you guys might like it.

island911 · 07-25-2003, 10:43 AM

Hilarious, Souk.

Thanks!

"Grand Canyon" heh-heh-heh

dd74 · 07-25-2003, 11:09 PM

This is thought provoking to say the least...

When I was a kid, I was often invited into the cockpit to see what goes on in there; it absolutely thrilled me. The guages, dials, buttons and toggles: it was amazing.

Once, on a flight overseas, I was even allowed to sit in the navigator's seat and help plot the plane's course.

Now that I'm a dad, I can't even take my own kid into the cockpit, since it's bolted shut, and who knows whether or not the pilot, co-pilot, etc., are packing heat - I wouldn't want to find out.

But as a consequence of current events, these days my own kid can't see what once fascinated me.

It's a shame that this is what things have come to.

You served up a strong dose of reality, Souk. A very strong dose.

tabs · 07-25-2003, 11:54 PM

BTW...That .22 caliber Ruger Bearcat Revolver can't penetrate body Armour at any feet let alone within 27. However the .22 caliber short is prefered by assassins since the bullet will penetrate the skull but doesn't have the energy to exit the skull, hence it will richochet off the inside and scramble the brains some more.

Milu · 07-26-2003, 02:46 AM

22 short needs to be very close to the head to be guaranteed effective. It was used in abbatoirs for years which is all the proof I need that it works. It was also used for security on passenger planes by airlines some years ago for its low energy.
22lr may be a better choice for mob style hits as it has a hint more stopping power, but again we are talking very close range to be effective. Both rounds are relatively easy to suppress which might be a consideration if noise is important.

Milu · 07-26-2003, 02:52 AM

On the subject of 22s.

Have you ever shot a 22 Remington jetfire?

Cool!

Basically a 357 case necked to take a 22 bullet fired from a mid size revolver. Very fast, negligible recoil, flames from the barrel etc.

Makes you feel very macho and impresses the ignorant on the range

tabs · 07-26-2003, 07:23 AM

S&W Model 53 if I am kerrect....Nope havn't shot one...am a very advanced 22 Hornet collector though... In the 1998 Gun Digest there is an article about the beginings of the 22 Hornet cartridge written by an attorney by the name of Beneson. In the article Beneson describes how it was developed by the Army Personel working at the Springfield Arsenal in the early 1930's... of the 12 rifles he documented...I own 3 of them. Including the one owned by Brophy and is pictured in his book on the 03 Springfield rifles by serial number.

Milu · 07-26-2003, 12:19 PM

The man is korekt! Based on the k frame and discontinued 30 years ago.

tabs · 07-27-2003, 10:45 AM

The model 53 had those inserts for the 22 cartidge...I had quite a few opportunities to buy one and never did.

The pre WW2 Smith Registered 357 Magnum's and Triple Lock Targets, as well as the 2nd model Targets have really come on in the past couple of years. U used to see them for about $1000 to 1200 now for one NIB your talking North of 3K. It seems like every thing marked Colt or Smith have jacked up in price...the stuff is just drying up.

Groesbeck Hurricane · 07-27-2003, 11:15 AM

In order to impress the idiots on the range I like to load a .22 revolver with rat shot, throw three or four casings down range and shoot the casings to the end of the range. Amazing how many people you can impress...

Milu · 07-27-2003, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by tabs
The model 53 had those inserts for the 22 cartidge...I had quite a few opportunities to buy one and never did.

The pre WW2 Smith Registered 357 Magnum's and Triple Lock Targets, as well as the 2nd model Targets have really come on in the past couple of years. U used to see them for about $1000 to 1200 now for one NIB your talking North of 3K. It seems like every thing marked Colt or Smith have jacked up in price...the stuff is just drying up.

It's the way of the world, the disposable crap is taking over and the pride of ownership craftsman made is disappearing, and those of that appreciate them end up paying more.

And if like me one enjoys using them...then we have terror attacks every time maintenance one can't diy is needed for fear the "technician" will mutilate our toy. Pretty much like a 911.

I'm glad the $value of your collection is rising, but don't lose out on the fun side - ultimately much more importrant

Milu · 07-27-2003, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Groesbeck Hurricane
In order to impress the idiots on the range I like to load a .22 revolver with rat shot, throw three or four casings down range and shoot the casings to the end of the range. Amazing how many people you can impress...

You mean you need to use shot to hit a 22 case at 25 metres?

Pete Pranger · 07-27-2003, 07:39 PM

dd74,

Just to let you know, although my flight deck may as well be fort knox while airborne, I never deny kids the chance to see the cockpit if they want to. It just wouldn't be right not to.

And just for clarification, the only approved caliber for a FFDO (Federal Flight Deck Officer) is .40. I don't know why, I would have preferred my .45.

Pete

speeder · speeder's Garage

Pete, I agree that .45 is a great sidearm if user is certified, but don't feel bad. .40 is maybe the ultimate caliber for an auto-load pistol, IMO.

dd74 · 07-27-2003, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pete Pranger
dd74,

Just to let you know, although my flight deck may as well be fort knox while airborne, I never deny kids the chance to see the cockpit if they want to. It just wouldn't be right not to.

And just for clarification, the only approved caliber for a FFDO (Federal Flight Deck Officer) is .40. I don't know why, I would have preferred my .45.

Pete

That's good to hear, but as long as no kids see whatever firepower you have in there. I think it'd freak them out more than make them feel comfortable.

Milu · 07-28-2003, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pete Pranger
dd74,

Just to let you know, although my flight deck may as well be fort knox while airborne, I never deny kids the chance to see the cockpit if they want to. It just wouldn't be right not to.

And just for clarification, the only approved caliber for a FFDO (Federal Flight Deck Officer) is .40. I don't know why, I would have preferred my .45.

Pete

I think it's great that you let the kids see the cockpit

Interesting the way thinking on calibers for on flight security has developed in the last 20 years... from a pea shooter to a cannon. From the point of view of stopping power and one shot stops probably a good thing - hope you're never in the situation that you get practical experience!

What is it about the 45 that makes us all so fanatical, I love my Detonics Scoremaster. The design was right in the first place, the cartridge is accurate, new guns that have all the whistles and bells keep appearing, but no one wants to give up their 1911. (Something to do with the last 3 digits?)

tabs · 09:05 AM

I would imagine that on a plane one would want a caliber that will knock the person down and not go through them for reason of decompression???

How bout the Smith model 1955?....later the model 25 and even later the 25-5 in 45 LC.