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I sit in horror as I veiw the new red fuel pump relay that Wayne
has just sent. MADE IN CHINA, WTF is this from Porsche or some knock off from the land of many yellow people. Does Porsche now
source relays from China, Wayne please explain this or its coming back!!!!

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Old 08-04-2003, 07:57 PM
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The Porsche ones are made in China too. Bosch WR7DC spark plugs are made in India. Big deal, they work and if they were still made in Germany you wouldn't be able to afford them. At the moment my fear is a lot of this stuff is going to be NLA (no longer available) as Porsche looses interest in the older models and marginally profitable parts lines.
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My friend is the regional manager for Asia. His company makes motors for all sorts of purposes. Electrical motors for side mirrors, window winders, radio aerials, headlight adjusters, remote control cars, forced feedback playstation wheels and handheld, mobile phone buzzers etc etc. and guess where their main factory is - yes China.

Now he's an expat US guy and states that any of these items are outstanding quality (course he would given he works for them) but as Wayne said above, quality has to be proven to gain the contracts from comapnies such as Bosch, Nintendo, Sony, Nokia etc so I would be too quick to complain about 'quality.'

In the main, its not the location, but the technology and labour force costs that affect production and China has both on its side. Theres some logic in China being accepted into the WTO you know.

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Well I guess now even Porsche sources from China should be
no shock since the largest employer here in Wichita, Kansas
is doing the same thing. Boeing now has parts manufactered there. Sorry Wayne
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Actually, the Chinese made "Bosch" relays are a little off. They do not seat quite flush into the relay socket. I compared a new relay and an old German (or at least European made) relay in old and new OEM relay sockets and sure enough there is something that keeps the Chinese relay from seating all the way. I even put a small amount of silicone grease on the relay pins to aid insertion but it still stops with about a .040 to.060 inch gap between the bottom of the relay and the socket. It appears the pin spacing or length is a little out of specification. This problem doesn't immediately impede functionality but I am concerned the Chinese relays will eventually "walk their way" out of the sockets causing an electrical circuit failure. For an essential circuit like a fuel pump it would be worth a premium price to have a better fitting relay. Jim
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its no surprise anymore.

i watched a motor programme recently where they claimed the bmw z3 ( i think it was the z3, it could have been a boxter) was made in the states!
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Dickster,

You are correct, the Z3 was made in the states, now they make the Z4 here is the states as well as the X5. However, most of the motors are still made in Europe.

Speaking of relays, on the 964, a couple of relays said, gasp, "VW Audi".
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Would you really expect Dr. Stutt Gart to have ye olde precision shoppe in the back hand-making ze Porsche peripheral equipment to serve any illusory nationalist desires? These days are over (and it ain't none of my choice, either!).

Computer peripherals made in Thailand, Malaysia... Jogging shoes in China or Indonesia. My son's new Yamaha bass in Indonesia. You name it. Cheapest labor cost (whether that be take home pay, or sick/pension/other "social costs") will suck employment into their region. Ocean, even air-transport costs are minimal (ask me how I know), GATT agreements keep the customs barriers wide open for "free trade" (the USA is the strongest proponent of that). Without prejudice to the rights and obligations of producing nations (barring child, prisoner and/or slave labor, of course!), that general principle is firmly established into the domain of world trade. Like it or not... Everything we buy (US and Europe are not in the slightest different in that respect) is made "in Asia" (or, sometimes, Morocco, Brazil, in your parts it might be ...Mexico). I've come to the -painful- acknowledgement that, it would seem, the only thing we (in Europe) still produce is agricultural products (protect them!), some luxury goods (export them!), arts and literature, and -still to a large degree- cars. Expensive cars, like BMW, VW, Porsche. How long yet? What's to keep Porsche from having a tasteful design studio in Zuffenhausen and to have their factories in the vicinity of Shanghai. A couple of Herrn supervisors should ensure quality control. It is ...scary... but that's been the one-way movement since WWII. So, if you like to employ the services of Wayne for your spare parts, don't impose "Made in Deutschland" onto him: "there ain't nothing he can do about it" (sung to the tune of "(You keep me) Hangin' on" an old Vanilla Fudge song.
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movement since WWII. So, if you like to employ the services of Wayne for your spare parts, don't impose "Made in Deutschland" onto him: "there ain't nothing he can do about it" (sung to the tune of "(You keep me) Hangin' on" an old Vanilla Fudge song.
"You Keep Me Hangin' On"
Actually, originally, Diana Ross & "The Supremes", music and lyrics by Holland and Dozier. "Vanilla Fudge" just did a poor "cover", along with about a dozen other wannabees. But, I suppose, most of you guys are too young to remember any of them

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Wayne, nice exlpanation of parts and what you can do or can't do.

The Bizz I'm has more than half of our product made in china, romainia, etc.. It's all about costs and being competitve. Believe it or not, not everyone wants to pay top dollar for the best product.
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I think barring a few exceptions such as tools /measuring instruments the quality gap is closing. I think it is a combination of the historically poor quality countries catching up, as well as the historically high quality countries backing up. Here in America and I feel Europe as well that we have made our beds and now we get to sleep in them. I don't think anyone ever invisioned Rosie the rivetor making more than most teachers and small business owners do you? Oh yea, Paul, Yamaha has moved and will be moving more production to Indonesia, My wife worked in advertising & marketing for Yamaha till a month ago. I said workED. I don't blame them though, they gotta do what it takes to make the dollar.
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"You Keep Me Hangin' On"
Actually, originally, Diana Ross & "The Supremes", music and lyrics by Holland and Dozier. "Vanilla Fudge" just did a poor "cover", along with about a dozen other wannabees. But, I suppose, most of you guys are too young to remember any of them

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I standeth corrected, Jerry! and I know the Supremes original, too. But I've always preferred the slow and heavy Fudge version, guess it's a matter of taste. BTW, I regret having to disagree with you: I'm not too young... born 1949, a good year. Gosh, yesterday I listened to "Band of Gypsies" over the headphones. OT: few days ago, after jogging 14 km, I was a bit tired and told my 16-yr oldest son "Mmmm... I'm getting old, Nigel". To which he gave me a weird look on 'is face and, upon my insisting he explained "You ARE old"
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I purchased a oil line from the porsche dealer about three years ago in San Diego. I was quoted a price of over $300, I almost fainted. The parts guy then said I can get you aftermarket for half that. I asked, what about form fit and function? Response, You will never know the difference. The aftermarket part has worked just fine for me.


I have always enjoyed the vanilla fudge version of You keep me hanging on. I was old enough to know both the fudge and the Supremes versions. Today I own the cd of the vanilla fudge version but you won't find any Supreme CD's in my collection. To each there own. Rock On!
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...and another "historic" thing: do you know that, before world war ONE, "Made in Germany" stood for cheap stuff? Back in those days, if you wanted quality, it was obligatory "Made in Sheffield, England" and the such... times do change, always (it's part of the definition of the word "time"...)
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The world is getting smaller every day.
My friend is an application manager at Federal Mogul's lighting division and says that none of their higher quality products are made in China, but almost all of their replacement lights, bulbs, sealed beams (found in Murray's and Pep boys, etc.) are made in China.

I always used to laugh at another friend's love for camaros. Used to tease him all the time how his 'heartbeat of america' is made in Canada. That bothered him, hehe. I guess Canada is in (north) america.
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I still don't like China's home electrical products. I would be cautious if you see "made in China" on toasters, mixers, etc.
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Bosch WR7DC spark plugs are made in India. Big deal, they work and if they were still made in Germany you wouldn't be able to afford them.
Actually, the ones I got from Pelican say "Germany" on the side of them....and the ones that I got from Kragen Auto Parts say "India" on them. So...they are being made in two different places??

The ones from Pelican cost over twice as much, but they are made in Germany apparently.
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FWIW,

Last year I was beating up a US supplier to get their quality levels UP to compete against a Chinese supplier who had substantially better quality at a slightly lower price including freight and importation fees.
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Anyways, just my opinion - I don't have a degree in Economics...

-Wayne
yep... LOL

you took positions on some historical, complicated subjects.. cool.

what I want to hear.
Is the product quality intact?

IMO, if there is a weak spot, it'll be electrical .......Ron
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IMO, if there is a weak spot, it'll be electrical .......Ron
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