Bordinat Mangusta

cegerer · cegerer's Garage

I've always been a Pantera fan. But never heard of this before and it's actually spent it's life not far from me! Not your everyday Mangusta. What an awesome-looking machine:

http://www.pim.net/bordinat.html

Now, if those Lotto numbers just come in tonight .....

makaio · 12-23-2003, 03:50 AM

That's the only other car I have seen that has a colapsable spare tire.

johnco · 12-23-2003, 04:41 AM

there was a Mangusta here in my town many many years ago. It was parked in the street during a bad rain and water came up almost half way up the door. it was for sale for $4000 or less I think. I looked at it but didn't have the money. I also could have bought a Dino for about the same price back then. we did get the $1800 Lotus though. If I had money and a warehouse in those days...............

cstreit · cstreit's Garage

These are fast and beautiful, but the ones I've seen handle like wallowing sows...

BlueSkyJaunte · 12-23-2003, 06:42 AM

Looks a lot like the Ghibli to my eyes:

Beautiful car.

RickM · RickM's Garage

Beautiful car yet horrible ergonomics. Still wouldn't mind having one in the stable.

tabs · 12-23-2003, 10:32 AM

If ya don't fit you can't buy it...I think they were powered by Ford 351 Clevlands..which makes them cheap to keep running.

ted · ted's Garage

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Originally posted by tabs
If ya don't fit you can't buy it...I think they were powered by Ford 351 Clevlands..which makes them cheap to keep running.

pretty sure the Mangusta had a Ford 302.
The Pantera's had the 351 Cleveland.
More info here.
My 71'.

tabs · 12-23-2003, 11:40 AM

I would think it depends on the model year they came out. The Clevland was offered in 1971...The 302 starting in 1968. I've even seen a Pantera with a Ford 427 in it...

For some reason I just never thought of them as being true exotics.

RickM · RickM's Garage

FWIW....

According to the "International Automobile Show" magazine from 1969 and 1970:

The De Tomaso Mangusta of 1969 had 418 HP with a weight of 2150 lbs and top speed of 180.

The World Premier of the Detomaso Pantera was in 1970....same year as the 240Z. That year it had 310 HP with a claimed top speed of 160 and 2860 weight.

ted · ted's Garage

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Originally posted by tabs
I would think it depends on the model year they came out. The Clevland was offered in 1971...The 302 starting in 1968. I've even seen a Pantera with a Ford 427 in it...

For some reason I just never thought of them as being true exotics.

Here's a bit of info from the pantera site.
The 427 was most likely a one off conversion accordiing to the Pantera site.

I'm 6'6" and with the seat pan lowered 2 inches and a custom seat I was able to fit.
A Short driver might complain of having their head to close to the raked windshield.

Last month at the Big Willow Pantera track day the fastest track prepared Pantera (good driver too) with a 700hp Can Am engine only ran 1:31 lap times. About the same lap times as my 69 911 RS clone with a 3.2.

The Panteras look expensive and sound mean. It was like owning a street rod with good brakes and fair handleing.

The Pantera’s layout differed from the Mangusta in several fashions. First, it was conceived with a full monocoque chassis layout, as opposed to the prior car’s spine chassis design. Secondly, it to be built around Ford’s then-new 5.7 liter (351 cu. in.) "Cleveland" V-8. This engine featured deep-breathing heads patterned after the very successful Boss 302 design, 4-barrel carburetion and 4-bolt main bearing caps. The new V-8 was mated to a ZF fully synchronized 5-speed transaxle with limited slip, and rated at 310 horsepower (SAE Gross, 1971 trim).

cegerer · cegerer's Garage

Here's an interesting Pantera website:

http://www.panteraplace.com/

My interest in Panteras dates to around 1971. I would walk to school everyday and some guy a few blocks away had a brand new white one and it would be sitting in the driveway warming up every morning. Man, it sounded good. Shoulda pulled a Ferris Bueller on that baby .........

RickM · RickM's Garage

And they had Cast Magnesium wheels standard (Uh oh, don't want to open up a can of worms heh heh)

ted · ted's Garage

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Originally posted by RickM
And they had Cast Magnesium wheels standard (Uh oh, don't want to open up a can of worms heh heh)

If you find a set of 15x10 campies (like on the my pic) they go for around $1500 last I checked.

tabs · 12-24-2003, 09:34 AM

The 427 I saw installed in a Pantera was an owner modification, albeit a very good one.

Hey Ted aka G Burner, what your not ignoring me over here?

ted · ted's Garage

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Originally posted by tabs
Hey Ted, what your not ignoring me over here?

Actually I do still have you on ignore here.
I just had something to add about Panteras.

tabs · 12-24-2003, 10:06 AM

Yeah....but your talking to me now. thats not ignoring. So it's ok to talk to me while your R buddies aren't looking

ted · ted's Garage

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Originally posted by tabs
Yeah....but your talking to me now. thats not ignoring. So it's ok to talk to me while your R buddies aren't looking

I'll talk to you, he77 I spent paragraphs trying to reason with you in the past. When you go on the R attack I just turn you off.

tabs · 11:42 AM

I just admitted that my diatribes are getting stale with regards to the R Buddies...see Spreading the Christmas Spirit. Don't deny you spent not "paragraphs" but pages trying to reason with me. I'm just being unreasonable with the R Buddies. Question is do I really have something agaisnst them or are they just a comic foil.

Gawd if you boyz havn't figured that I LOVE a good arguement, than your stupider than you write. But beyond that I have told you exactly what the pathology of the R Buddies is. Believe me it's on the nut. I checked it out with that higher authority that I know. His comment was that he was "surprised that they (R Buddies) don't have human sacrafices" or maybe Stacy in the "Goat" suit will suffice. But there I go again being tempted to rail against the R Buddies. I promise that in this discussion I won't go too far off track. At least for the sake of civility.

PS. I gotta tell the truth, my friend didn't say that he was surprised the R Buddies didn't have human sacrafice. I made that up....but he did say that the R Buddies would make a "Good research project for a Masters or PhD Thesis on the inter personal dynamics in the formation of a Cult." I really thought it sounded better the part about human sacrafice...Pardon me for exagerating.