TargaDude hows that hunt for weapons of mass destruction going?

[stealthn]

Just thought I'd stir the pot, as I've just seen alot of truth, not conspiracy theory. Where's the Dude so we can twist it up?

Just to wet your whistle:

On Sept. 11 ,where was George senior?.... meeting with the Bin Laden family.
When the bombing of the US compound in Saudi took place who got to rebuild it,...the Bin Laudin family.
Who were the major investors in George junior's oil Company... the Bin Laudin family...

I have more....

[Aurel]

I bet you that Osama Bin Laden will be caught just before the presidential elections, that must be written in his contract with the CIA

Regarding weapons of mass destruction, I find it really amusing that the new official line is: Okay, they will never be found, it was just wrong intelligence...But it does not really matter because: " Even the french and the Germans agreed that they existed ". Yeah, sure, drop the responsibility on other countries now. After being the evil coalition of the unwillings and weasels,
use them as the source of valid intelligence...Is not there a total contradiction here ? Because IF France and Germany had been certain of the existence of WMDs and that Saddam was posing an imminent threat to the world, would they have opposed the war in Iraq? Of course not. Once again, the naivety of the good american people has been used to further political and ideological agendas

Aurel

[tabs]

HeyAurel your as obsessed with the Bushy Admin and WMD's as I am with the R Gruppe. I think help is going to be necessary. I can see years of thearpy ahead, costing thousands of $$$.

[Aurel]

You`re right Tabby. Maybe we could have a good deal though, if we bundle it in a group therapy. Hey, maybe we do not even need to pay for a shrink ! We can do it right here, right now on this board

Aurel

[Purrybonker]

Stealthn - I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole.

There's a strong possibility that you're just wasting valuable key strokes.

[DonDavis]

Originally posted by Purrybonker
just wasting valuable key strokes.

duh!

[tabs]

Ain't we all!

[speeder]

Aurel, That's hilarious! Right after they pulled Saddam out of that prarie dog hole, some of the more sceptical among us said that they are probably holding Bin Laden somewhere, waiting to "catch" his ass a couple of weeks before the election. Maybe find him in a sewer pipe or something, the White House PR machine is still working on that one.

"WMD??"

"We never said anything about WMD. Where do you liberal traitors get this stuff? We never said anything about WMD. It has always been about 'liberating' the Iraqi people. And making billions for Haliburton and Bechtel. You liberal weenies got something against good old American war profiteering? Bunch of commies."

[tabs]

UInfortunately being called a "Commie" no long has the ring of being a tratior. Calling someone a "Socialist" is kind, of so what. Now calling someone a "Liberal" has some value as a long haired uptown wild eyed do gooder who want sto interfer in what you like to do. Calling someone a "Jihadist" does really cut in in America cause you just don't see that many rag heads walking about? So I don't know what now has the cachet of cutting to the quick....maybe your just an R Grupper?

[speeder]

I'm going to have some T-shirts made that say "LIBERAL" in huge letters, plus maybe, "Volvo driving, latte drinking, elite Hollywood tree-hugging card carrying member of the ACLU". Yeah, that ought to do it. Time for making that word proud once again, can't think of a better time when "conservatives" are wrecking the economy, losing millions of jobs, starting wars that cost 100s of $$billions and decrease security and stability in the world, etc....

[Crowbob]

Last I checked the French still speak French because we had the nads to stand up to the naive, pacifist, conciliatory, appeasement wimps and fight back against a fascist dictatator of another sort. Call me myopic but I do not want to all the women wearing burkas while they iron my shirts.

[Aurel]

For crying out loud, Jim ! How many times do I have to say that me being french is totally irrelevant. I could be canadian, german, russian, liberal, democrat, or even a disapointed republican. I would say the same things. Why do people have to make it personal ? Its like saying
`we had the nads to stand against terrorism`. Did YOU fight during WWII ? Did YOU go to Iraq ? How big are YOUR nads ?

Aurel

[Crowbob]

Aurel,

Oops, sorry. My mistake. I didn't know you were French. However, being French, Canadian, German, Russian, Liberal or a democrat automatically makes one irrelevant and not the other way around, (let alone being from New Jersey) when it comes to terrorism . No, I did not fight in WWI. My father did and he didn't have a spastic attack to surrender when the soufle collapsed or the quiche got overdone, either. No, I did not go to Iraq and would not go to Iraq unless I lost a bet. It's not our fault their sand is on top of our oil. Why we even pay good money for it is a mystery to me. As far as the size of my nads are, well, the doctor...hey I thought you didn't like to get personal.

[Aurel]

Fair enough. Their sand is on your oil, and anything else than a rightwing republican opinion is irrelevant. Why did not you say it from the beginning ? That would have saved me some thinking time. Geesh, I also have some work to do...

Aurel

[speeder]

Originally posted by JIMCRY
Last I checked the French still speak French because we had the nads to stand up to the naive, pacifist, conciliatory, appeasement wimps and fight back against a fascist dictatator of another sort. Call me myopic but I do not want to all the women wearing burkas while they iron my shirts.

Ahhh, ummm, we entered that other war on the day when the Japanese dropped bombs on us.

No one in the U.S. seemed overly concerned w/ the plight of the French or the Jews or the Polish prior to that. In fact, the prevailing attitude at the time was, "let's not get involved".

I know that the truth doesn't line up real well with the legend of the super-nad people who volunteered to rescue the world, , but the truth is a biatch, ain't it?

Am I glad that our side won WW2?? Yes, of course. Did the U.S. fight courageously? Yes, very much so, (as did many others), but re-writing history in order to sound clever is lame and all too common. It dishonors millions of dead people.

[Crowbob]

Because had you known I was conservative right off, you would have slammed the thought box closed tighter than Monica's beret on Bill's cigar and, as is typical of liberalism, shut off the open mindedness you guys so proudly hail.

[speeder]

Brilliant response, Jim. I'm speechless.

(Or at least going back to work, see ya!)

[Aurel]

Hey, what do you complain about ? We took you for a little ride in the world of thoughts ? Is not it like driving a Porsche for the first time ? Cool, huh...Once you start thinking for yourself, you`ll be addicted !

Aurel

[Crowbob]

Denis,

I apologize for having dishonored the millions. It was unintentional if I did. The truth is, the pacifists could not be overcome UNTIL Pearl Harbor. Aurel and his like were probably saying then, as now, in a sense, "I don't see the connection between Pearl Harbor and the Germans." And Denis, the world was saved. You may think it a legend, but we were attacked and we fought back same then, same now.

[Moneyguy1]

Jim; That is not a bad analysis. My Mom and Dad told me about things just before Pearl Harbor, with people shrugging when the German American groups would get together for their "meetings" (read rallies). Nothing was done. At the time, our leadership at least knew there was danger from both sides and knew that if England fell, it would make a dandy aircraft carrier for eventual invasion of the "New World". Witness the attempts by the Nazis to overtake Mexico and other central/south American countries. Yet, the attitude here was formed by the carnage of WWI and the depression. People just wanted to be left alone.

Yet there were those, like my father, in the Merchan Marine, who sailed those cargo ships across the Atlantic, "getting directly involved."

Until there was a direct attack which threatened their hoped for tranquility, this desire to be left alone that was prevelant would not change. And, Jim, to bolster your thinking, Germany then declared war on the US, not the other way around. Heck, they had already sunk hundreds of tons of goods travelling to England in American ships. And, the French were taken by surprise, although I personally think their leadership and their intelligence was fatally flawed. In an era of fighter aircraft, bombers and 30 ton tanks, a long concrete bunker is a poor defense. Ask Herr Hitler who made the same mistake four years later with the Atlantic Wall. I will defend the French, but only a little. They were at war with one country after another for centuries. I imagine they were tired of it, and simply hoped the problems would "go away". After all, the "War to end all Wars" was only 22 years in the past. When they finally woke up, it was too late, and the "Allies" had to come to the rescue, more out of self preservation than any altruistic reason. Denis, there is a saying: "History is fiction agreed upon by the victors". True, WWII was a horrible and hopefully unique page of history, brought about by the ability of a few men to take power based upon public humiliation and dispair. I could give you chapter and verse on the causes, and even show where we are still living in 2004 with the aftermath of that conflict. As one example, Israel and Palestine. Direct connection. As for Japan, there are those Japanese who STILL do not see where their country did anything wrong, and many revere the now dead leaders of that conflict.

The world was then and still is a very complex organism, not possible to dissect and get to the absolute pure truth.

Just the thoughts of a guy who has been around too long.....And seen too much......Ever pilot a landing craft? Shot at going either way......