Good post dd74

Off Topic: before I start in with my 2 cents, I wanted to say I appreciate Wayne and all you Porsche Lovers on this site. You have been there for me when I had questions and needed some help.

Thanks!


Observation… I think it is best to at least go see the movie before you go into long editorials about it .

I called into the Russ Castle and Lisa Rollins radio show about it. I did not offer an opinion on it because I had not seen it yet. I just asked questions.

Now that I have seen it. Wow!

All the nay-sayer journalists were saying that it was going to bomb.
You all probably know by now that 125 million in the first 2+ weeks is not a bomb. I wonder if Mel Gibson will get himself a new 911 to celebrate his success, which is just beginning, then post some pics on Pelican Parts for us?

The Movie:
DID YOU SEE THAT Scourging Whip. It had claws of metal in it. When they whipped Jesus, it would cling onto him and pull off pieces of skin and muscle.
I believe the Sanhedrian was culpable in the atrocities committed against Christ but so were the ROMAN’S. They were brutal heartless beasts of cruelty. Pontius Pilate whimped out. He said it with his own mouth "I find no fault in this Man". He had the power to stop this whole Charade as we say, and did nothing. Check that!! He did do something all right. He let his own soldiers mock and beat up Jesus and press a crown of thorns down into his scull. Then to top off this before he gave the orders for his crucifixion he had him whipped and whipped and whipped until the blood flowed and splattered all over the courtyard of SCOURGING.

It was all meant to be though.
I BELIEVE I am also responsible for what happened.

"And the Lord laid on him the iniquities of us all" Isaiah 53:6

Isaiah 53.

Show some Going For The Best - Porsche guts and read Isaiah 53. 800 years before Christ was born Isaiah prophesied about him with amazing accuracy…
It all came to pass, right down to the last brand new steel head bolt.

Well what’s next?

As horrific as the bad that was done to Jesus is, so is the good that will come to you if you will believe in him. To me the Porsche has class, power, style and is the best! But it means far more to me to have believed on Jesus and allowed him to pay the price that I can not pay.

God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whosoever believes on him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Benson :cool:

By all other contemporary historical accounts, Pilate was a monster who regularly tortured and executed thousands of "troublemakers" every year.

I went to the theater last weekend, There were bus-loads of church groups coming to see the Passion.

I don't like waiting in lines...Adam Sandler's new movie was hillarious.

...sorry, I once tried discussing God with a Christian group...and was constantly reminded how I was wrong. I shouldn't have said I was Catholic.

It's good this movie was made (Passion). There's nothing wrong with getting people to think.

just saw it yesterday. if you're not touched, no matter what denomination or agnostic or otherwise, you're clinically dead

Of course Andy Rooney had to get into this...
 

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/03/15/passion.rooney.ap/index.html

BTW: Gibson's closing in on a $250,000,000 for this film. He maybe "wacko" as Rooney says, but he's one rich wacko.

Well, we all know God likes Mel Gibson better than the rest of us. That's why he's successful.

:rolleyes:

In that case, God must have really had it out for Job, despite His kind words at the opening of the story. Hmm ... Maybe God isn't so fond of Mel? :)

Sure he is. Like everyone else, he wants to get into the industry...

Hello Porsche friends!

Some thnigs to consider concerning the Bible, Mensa or not.

One person on the Pelican BBS said the Bible was a "Fairy Tale".
It’s so easy to make an assertion like that. It’s what some people want to hear so they will believe it. But what documentation and historical evidence do you have to back that kind of assertion?

The following historical characters had something to say about Jesus. They give us evidence and historical documentation that he existed.

1. Gallio, proconsul of Achia.
2. Lysanias, tetrach of Abilene.
3. Erastus of Corinth.
4. Tacitus the Roman Historian.
5. Suetonius, chief secretary to the Emperor Hadrian.
6. Josephus, the Jewish Historian.

How do you even know that Caesar Augustus lived? I have never heard any one going into a heated debate about whether Caesar existed or not. But, how do we know if any of the Caesars ever lived? Their are no pictures, movies or recordings of them. There are no original historical documents about their lives either. Only copies?
How do we know that the copies we have are trustworthy and authentic. The gap between the original manuscripts and the copies is about 800 years. That is a lot of time for errors to appear.

Historical documentation and evidence? There is quite a bit of it for the Bible.

Thank you,

:cool:

Hey Benson this post is two months old!

I know Jesus lives I went to school with one, his name was Jesus Ojeda. By the way do you have the original version of the bible or know someone who does, the version I have is only a copy and there are several mistakes?

Hey BD!

What kind of Bible do you have?

Your right there are no original manuscripts of the Bible. Do you know why that might be? Do you know how to determine whether an ancient manuscript is reliable or not?


How's things at Triangle Square?

:cool:

This is the mausoleum of Emperor Ceasar "Augustus" Octavian. His body is somewhere inside this crypt.

http://www.findagrave.com/photos/103...1072654562.jpg

Find me Jesus' crypt or grave, and his existence won't be as much the part of a "fairy tale."

The fact that nobody can point to Jesus' tomb is a telling fact. Had the Jewish elders of the church been able to produce his body in 40AD, the young Christian movement would have died pretty darn quick. The fact that they couldn't say "Be quiet you silly Christians, his body is in the third masauleum on the left" is perhaps more telling against your case, dd74.

As to original manuscripts, no, nobody has any originals of anything. But you can obtain copies of the originals (as in straight-up duplicates) for many valid historical works. Nobody questions the validity of the Constitution, although there's only one original that relatively few of us have actually laid eyes on. Nobody questions the existence of Alexander the Great, though there's only one useful document that really says anything about him, and it was written hundreds of years later, and is clearly a work of legend.

The bottom line is that there is more evidence for the accuracy of the Gospels than there is for virtually any other ancient document.


Dan



PS -- don't know why I bother; just going to get mocked, don't expect any serious rebuttals... Good on ya, Benson, fer standing up. It's always good to see another Christian out here.

Damn right you're going to get mocked. :rolleyes:

But I'll do it with one word: PROOF

...of which there's none, my friend. SmileWavy

Wait I thought his name is Benson. :D

Seriously, Christian and Christian you say "The bottom line is that there is more evidence for the accuracy of the Gospels than there is for virtually any other ancient document." Are you serious, there are some crazy stories in that book. I understand they all serve a purpose and may teach valuable lessons in some circumstances but they are not true. Ever heard of a thing called "science?”

examples please

How about Noah? Anyone know a 600 year old guy? He was able to get seven mating pairs of each clean animal and one pair of the unclean animals in a boat 450 feet long (he built) for 40 days, sounds like a pleasure cruise to me I wonder who catered the food? All because God wanted to kill all life on the earth, talk about being pissed off. Only people spared were Noah his sons and their three wives and the animals on board. Everything else on earth was killed off. That’s a BS story to me! What next, after his sons had kids their kids married there cousins to continue the human race, WTF?

The real story some farmers during the rainy/flood season built there huts out wood and made them similar to a raft. This enabled the house to float and not be destroyed during flooding. The farmer would take a mating pair of every animal he owned on the raft so he would be able to produce more animals next year. The moral sh-t happens, be prepared and God can kill you.


Help find it and prove me wrong

Some guy found some wood in the mountains, it could have been boat who knows?

My faith doesn't need "proof", that's what makes it "faith"... I respect other's faiths and I expect them to respect mine. I try to live my faith not just talk (walk the walk, not talk the talk)...

And I'm in no position to disagree with you, and never will. That's the hidden beauty of religion and what is deemed as the existence of God: that it allows for belief - "faith" in other words.

But when one of the religious ilk stumbles into the deductive world of absolutes where clear-cut facts exist (science's realm, btw) and deduction rules as a mannerism, religion and God 100-percent of the time gets laughed right out of the neighborhood. It is not real because it cannot be proven.

Hawkes once commented that he would like to die within a black hole, because in a black hole, one can see the beginning and end of time. A black hole, time's birth and death - if at all, that sounds a hell of a lot more exciting than a burning bush.

dd,

I wouldn't be too quick to conclude that science is the realm of "clear-cut facts." Science has, time and time again, been proven wrong. What may be accepted today as clear-cut could very well be disproven in the future. Hawkes' statement about the qualities of a blackhole is one of belief, not fact, and can probably never be proven as true. Therefore, acceptance of the truth of that statement requires faith.