spin away...

[nostatic]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/31/kerry.memorial/

[fintstone]

I guess using the wall for political gain is spin enough already...and certainly not the first time for kerry. The man has no shame...especially since his actions after returning from Vietnam were very likely responsible for some of the other names listed there.....

[on-ramp]

Kerry was in Vietnam dodging bullets while Bush was here in the US dodging the draft.

[Icemaster]

I would, but my neighbors don't like it when I leave black tire marks all over the street.

[island911]

What's this: Kerry was in Vietnam commiting atrocities while Bush was here in the US, avoiding an ugly conflict?


Well, this is all rather bland . . .would ya pass the ketchup?

[nostatic]

Originally posted by fintstone
I guess using the wall for political gain is spin enough already...and certainly not the first time for kerry. The man has no shame...especially since his actions after returning from Vietnam were very likely responsible for some of the other names listed there.....

And what did Bush do this weekend?

[Zeke]

Let me get this understood. A man goes to a war and behaves well, does his job and then a little more. He comes home after his tour and repudiates the war. Is he now somehow responsible for some people dying in this same war either before, during or after his involment? Are you gonna throw the Jane Fonda thing at me as a comparison? I want to know.

EDIT: I misspelled 'involvement.' I can't do that after my thread about the misuse of words.

[Moses]

Originally posted by on-ramp
Kerry was in Vietnam dodging bullets while Bush was here in the US dodging the draft.

So now a glorious military career is a great affirmation of leadership? Remember when Bob Dole (a legitimate war hero) lost an election to Bill Clinton (perhaps the consumate draft dodger)?

I'm politically agnostic, but it kills me to see liberals fuss over Kerry's war record when they openly dismissed Dole's as irrelevant.

[350HP930]

Originally posted by nostatic
And what did Bush do this weekend?

From what I saw in the news he sent a pre recorded message to the ceremony at the new WWII memorial.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by nostatic
And what did Bush do this weekend?

Bush Pays Tribute to Past and Present Soldiers (Update1)
May 31 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. President George W. Bush commemorated Memorial Day by honoring soldiers of the past and the present, telling an audience at Arlington National Cemetery that the war against terrorism ``has brought great costs.''

In Afghanistan and Iraq, U.S. soldiers have shown ``their decency and their brave spirit,'' Bush told an audience of military veterans and families gathered across the Potomac River from Washington. ``Because of their fierce courage, America is safer. Two terrorist regimes are gone forever, and more than 50 million souls now live in freedom.''

Throughout its history, the U.S. ``has gone to war reluctantly, because we have known the costs of war,'' Bush said.

He quoted from letters sent home by four members of the U.S. military who lost their lives in combat during his presidency. Given command of a 120-person combat unit, Army Captain Joshua Byers wrote to his parents, ``I pray with all my heart that I will be able to take every single one of them home safe when we finish our mission here,'' Bush said. Byers was killed in July when his convoy was attacked west of Baghdad.

``This is the quality of the people in our uniform,'' Bush said.

Tomb of Unknowns

Before his speech, Bush marked Memorial Day, observed in the U.S. every year on the last Monday of the month of May, by laying a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns.

On Saturday, he dedicated a new granite and bronze World War II memorial on the National Mall to honor the 16.4 million U.S. soldiers who served and the 405,400 who died in the world's biggest and most lethal conflict.

As of May 28, 802 U.S. service personnel had lost their lives in Iraq, 662 of them since the president declared an end to major combat on May 1, 2003, according to the Defense Department. The U.S.-led coalition authority is preparing to hand over control of the nation to an interim Iraqi government at the end of June.

``All Americans who have known the loss and sadness of war, whether recently or long ago, can know this: the person they love and miss is honored and remembered by the United States of America,'' Bush said in the cemetery's amphitheater, situated amid rows of uniform marble headstones.

[fintstone]

Photograph of John Kerry meeting with Comrade Do Muoi, General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam, in Vietnam, July 18, 1983. Photo taken in the War Remnants Museum (formerly the "War Crimes Museum") in Saigon in May 2004.

Jeff Epstein explains the importance of the photograph:

"This photograph's unquestionable significance lies in its placement in the American protestors' section of the War Crimes Museum in Saigon. The Vietnamese communists clearly recognize John Kerry's contributions to their victory. "

[fintstone]

[azasadny]

I'm so disgusted, they're all scumbags. Who will I vote for? About the only politician I respect at all is McCain. Sorry for venting....

[Rot 911]

Monday, May 31, 2004 10:53 p.m. EDT
Kerry 'Flips Off' Vietnam Vet

Democratic senator - and certain presidential nominee - John F. Kerry gave the middle finger to a Vietnam veteran at the Vietnam Memorial Wall on Memorial Day morning, NewsMax.com has learned.

Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9:00 a.m. Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, "Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here."

At that point a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about 6 feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN T-shirt.

Kerry then began talking to a group of schoolchildren. Sampley then showed the T-shirt to the children and said, "Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam."

Just then Kerry - in front of the school children, other visitors and Secret Service agents - brazenly 'flashed the bird' at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, "Sampley is a felon!"

Kerry was referring to an incident 12 years ago when Sampley confronted Sen. John McCain's chief aide, Mark Salter, in a Senate stairwell after McCain repeatedly offended POW families at a Senate POW hearing. Sampley, whose father-in-law at that time was MIA in Laos, followed Salter into the stairwell and, when they emerged, Salter had a bloody lip and a broken nose.

Sampley's group, Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, has garnered huge national attention and has been featured in the New York Times, the Washington Post and on MSNBC's "Scarborough Country." Tens of thousands of Vietnam vets have registered their opposition to Kerry through Sampley's group.

[island911]

Well at least Kerry didn't do anything emotional or reactionary. . ..very "presidential"

Geeze, and I thought Clinton was the dem's pathetic low point.

[Superman]

Moses, Bob Dole's name has come up in these OT threads a few times lately and I want to say that, in my humble view, he's at or near the top of my list of tolerable elephants. I suspect, and suspected at the time, that he might have made a decent president.

Next in line of recent R-presidents might be GB Senior, though I would have expected far better performance from Dole. WAY back on the list are that actor guy from California who took deficit spending to a truly professional level of performance, and then last, and least also by the way, is the dangerous, and unabashed (expletive deleted) in the White House currently.

But no, this democrat is not going to disparage Mr. Dole's military or public service record.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Kurt V
NewsMax.com has learned.

and you actually believe something written on that site?