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 I love those old houses. What street are you on? | 
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 Gee Half a Millon to get to live next door to a Crack House that 's a deal. You barely want to drive thru venice a high noon, I could not even imagine coming home after midnight. | 
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 Doesn't Otto have some big nasty mongrels guarding the gates? | 
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 This talk of housing costs and renting is timely for me because I'm looking at buying a house with a rentalble apartment within.  With the same monthy investment, I compared 3 scenarios:  -live in an apartment and invest money in the market -buy an apartment and put money in the market (about half of the first scenario) -buy a house and rent the separate portion to afford the mortgage; wero money in the market Assuming I made no errors in my calculations, all 3 have about the same present value after about 3 years. After 5 years, the house scenario is a bit better than the rest. Anything after 10 years it's significantly better than the other two. This exercise has piqued my interest somewhat in rental investment properties. Does anyone have a useful spreadsheet for peforming various analysis? | 
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 Matt, I have three Excel spreadsheets for analyzing rental real estate.  Email me, and I can return via email. I do believe you are correct regarding the value of rental real estate over time. Generally, I've found the first 1-3 years of a rental are break-even deals. Afterwards, the appreciation, increase in rents, and decrease in maintenance costs will start to pad your profits. Jürgen | 
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 I know nothing about these index funds. You can short these funds. Buyer beware. Jurgen | 
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