We are saying is that he, (O'Niell), is an extremely biased source w/ a proven agenda who hates Kerry personally. Not exactly a trustworthy person to provide "the truth" about Kerry's service, wouldn't you agree?

Certainly seems more credible than the left's puveyor of truth...Michael Moore

And certainly more honest than Kerry...a proven liar.

Bush is an even more proven liar that kerry. What exactly is your point?

And Martha is an even more proven of a proven liar than any of them. Martha for President!

I don't think Bush has commented on Kerry's war records. Kerry said he would not comment on Bush's....but he lied.

So you are conceding that O'Neill is a completely biased and dishonest source, but since Moore and Kerry are also he is somehow justified??

I don't understand your rebuttals sometimes. :cool:

I thought bush had no war record to comment on?

No. Let me explain. Obviously O'Neill is biased against Kerry...much as most veterans that Kerry lied about are...why else would he spend so much time and effort to expose Kerry's lies???...That does not mean he is dishonest...only that he has good reason to want the truth known.

It just seems odd that the same people question the honesty of a man with no known history of dishonesty to support the claims of known liars. Seems rather odd to me.

I don't understand why you do not understand my rebuttals sometimes.

What's your source? Got any proof?

What exactly did Bush lie about again? Do you mean the CIA intelligence that everyone got and used to come to the same conclusion?

NEWSFLASH for lefties: the bi-partisan 9/11 commission in their unanimous report said Bush didn't lie. That means that the dems and republicans on the commission said the same thing without an argument. British intelligence came to the same thing, get over it.

Time to revive "Black Bush"? :D :D

The reason sKerry left Viet Nam was because of the stress of waking up each day & deciding all over againg which side he was on.

Sure, "Mule". I'm sure that you were there with him, too, right? :rolleyes:

So you're saying speeder that if someone wasn't "there" then they have no right to make a decision about the guy? There was one other war hero like kerry, Benedict Arnold. Decorated war hero, supporter of the US, but couldn't really decide if he really liked America.

Hard to believe people are still claiming Bush doesn't lie. I doubt any President has lied more...

"I don't believe anyone that I know in the administration ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons."
—Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, at a hearing of the Senate's appropriations subcommittee on defense, May 14, 2003

"We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
—Vice President Dick Cheney on NBC's Meet the Press, March 16, 2003

Bush mostly lets others around him do his lying. He's already lost one spokesman (Arie Fleischer) who was caught in too many lies -- like the "imminent threat" lie:

Fleischer's "ability to repeat a lie even after it's been shown, repeatedly, to be false is what separates him from the amateurs." --Timothy Noah, Slate

So GWB gets his employees and partners to do most of the lying for him, does that make him less of a liar?

You have every right to make a decision about him, but when you call him "Benedict Arnold" or that he "woke up in Viet Nam deciding which side to fight for"... :rolleyes: , then I will call a jackass a jackass. Your guy is a pussy who was afraid to go, for chrisakes, I'd change the subject if I was you. :cool:

Being touchy about YOUR guy being called a Benedict Arnold? Me thinks thou doth protest too much. Besides, if it really came back down to who went and who didn't as being a qualifier for Pres., what about Clinton? It didn't matter then, why now? The only reason I bring Slick Willy up is to highlight your total hypocrisy on the matter of military service being the main qualifier. Let's add to that with your assertion that National Guard service doesn't equate to military service. Are you also saying that the National Guard doesn't mean military service? That's straight out of McAullife and Carville's playbooks.

among jm's other good points, he nailed you (speeder) on that one.

I don't know what the # is, but I do know quite a few National Guardsmen fought in vietnam, and DIED in vietnam.

Understand something, speedr, a lot of us look at kerry the same way as you would look at Bush. . . if Bush came out with some cheezey home movies of his re-enacting his pilot duties. . . imagine Bush, at the controls. . .pushing the stick around, leaniing, back, fwd, left right . . .making airplane noises.

That's how stupid Kerry looks.

Kerry was in country' for 4 months.
ALL of his purple hearts where from minor scrapes. . .likely from screw-up from when he was shooting his re-enactments. (all that "shooting" can be dangerous. . .doncha-no)

If all it took was 3 PHs to come home, just how many folks stayed there when they could have come home? I have a relative who could have at least twice if that was the case, but he didn't. He stayed with his fellow servicemen and even won a Silver Star, not bad for a military firefighter. Too bad he was too busy saving lives instead of filming it. I guess reenacting his expliots for a camera were out of the question since he wasn't an officer nor was he rich and didn't have any ambition past saving lives and coming home, including his.

All politicians are liars. Surely you all understand that? Oh and back OT - saying John Kerry is unfit for command is a true statement.

"I did not have sex with that woman....Ms Lewinsky."
Guess you're wrong again Jimbo.

Hmm, always a change of subject when embarassing facts can't be refuted. Interesting . . .

Nope, Just an answer to tech's post. Let's see you back up some of your accusations, Sparky.

How about you name some you have an issue with.

Here is a better one for ya Mark...

Feb. 11, 1996: "If you look at the role America has played in the world, we should be rejoicing. ... There are no more nuclear missiles pointed at any children in the United States. I'm proud of that. ..."

Feb. 15, 1996: "I asked you to give me a chance to try to give America a more secure future and a more peaceful, more democratic world. And the fact that there are no nuclear missiles pointed at any American children for the first time since the dawn of the nuclear age is evidence of that commitment kept."

October 1996: "There is not a single, solitary nuclear missile pointed at an American child tonight. Not one. Not one. Not a single one."

Around 130 times Bill Clinton repeated this lie to the American people, when he was running for his second term. He had his mysteriously dead ex-Commerce Secretary, Ron Brown, loosen trade restrictions with China. The DNC/Clinton Administration were violating campaign finance laws, as they were raising funds from the Chinese Military.

Bill Clinton's top campaign donors were Loral and Hughes corporations, and his nefarious campaign finance violations centered around allowing these companies to sell ICBM technology to the Chinese Military.

http://members.aol.com/miat/clintonatbrownsfuneral.gif

Here is Bill Clinton playing sad for the cameras after the Ron Brown funeral.

Ya got nothin.

Hey 350, your fly is unzipped.

Hey Mul, What I find interesting is that you posted lies that came directly from President Clintons mouth. The dribble that came from Tech was all quotes from President Bush's staff and could easily be written off as miscommunications. Sorry Techie, you lose once again.

I have yet to see the Doctor answer a straight question.......

"There is not a single, solitary nuclear missile pointed at an American child tonight. Not one. Not one. Not a single one."

William Jefferson Blythe Clinton

And Democrats wonder why Republicans hate Clinton...TRAITOR!

I think he is still waiting for one.

Hmm, WMD, his harken energy stock, claiming terrorism was down since the iraq invasion, his relationship with enron just to mention a few of the things GWB has been untruthful about.

Hell there are so many it can fill a book.

http://www.bushlies.com/

WMD?...He had them and wanted to deliver them and kill you.

Harken energy stock?...so?

Terrorism down?...given bad intel, but terrorism certainly is down in America and Israel.

Enron?...Where is the quid-pro-quo?...No lies.

I would imagine that website is full of similar false impressions and intentional disinformation...That book would be about as factually based as Michael Moores cinematic bowel movement.

Now there's a reliable, unbiased, Pulitzer prize winning news source!

Maybe there are US buildings being blown up that aren't reported? Yeah, that must be what it is.

David Korn, now there's a really objective reporter :rolleyes:

Ya, really...You are confused widebody. It was not a lie.