We are saying is that he, (O'Niell), is an extremely biased source w/ a proven agenda who hates Kerry personally. Not exactly a trustworthy person to provide "the truth" about Kerry's service, wouldn't you agree?

Certainly seems more credible than the left's puveyor of truth...Michael Moore

And certainly more honest than Kerry...a proven liar.

Bush is an even more proven liar that kerry. What exactly is your point?

And Martha is an even more proven of a proven liar than any of them. Martha for President!

I don't think Bush has commented on Kerry's war records. Kerry said he would not comment on Bush's....but he lied.

So you are conceding that O'Neill is a completely biased and dishonest source, but since Moore and Kerry are also he is somehow justified??

I don't understand your rebuttals sometimes. :cool:

I thought bush had no war record to comment on?

No. Let me explain. Obviously O'Neill is biased against Kerry...much as most veterans that Kerry lied about are...why else would he spend so much time and effort to expose Kerry's lies???...That does not mean he is dishonest...only that he has good reason to want the truth known.

It just seems odd that the same people question the honesty of a man with no known history of dishonesty to support the claims of known liars. Seems rather odd to me.

I don't understand why you do not understand my rebuttals sometimes.

What's your source? Got any proof?

What exactly did Bush lie about again? Do you mean the CIA intelligence that everyone got and used to come to the same conclusion?

NEWSFLASH for lefties: the bi-partisan 9/11 commission in their unanimous report said Bush didn't lie. That means that the dems and republicans on the commission said the same thing without an argument. British intelligence came to the same thing, get over it.

Time to revive "Black Bush"? :D :D

The reason sKerry left Viet Nam was because of the stress of waking up each day & deciding all over againg which side he was on.

Sure, "Mule". I'm sure that you were there with him, too, right? :rolleyes:

So you're saying speeder that if someone wasn't "there" then they have no right to make a decision about the guy? There was one other war hero like kerry, Benedict Arnold. Decorated war hero, supporter of the US, but couldn't really decide if he really liked America.

Hard to believe people are still claiming Bush doesn't lie. I doubt any President has lied more...

"I don't believe anyone that I know in the administration ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons."
—Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, at a hearing of the Senate's appropriations subcommittee on defense, May 14, 2003

"We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
—Vice President Dick Cheney on NBC's Meet the Press, March 16, 2003

Bush mostly lets others around him do his lying. He's already lost one spokesman (Arie Fleischer) who was caught in too many lies -- like the "imminent threat" lie:

Fleischer's "ability to repeat a lie even after it's been shown, repeatedly, to be false is what separates him from the amateurs." --Timothy Noah, Slate

So GWB gets his employees and partners to do most of the lying for him, does that make him less of a liar?

You have every right to make a decision about him, but when you call him "Benedict Arnold" or that he "woke up in Viet Nam deciding which side to fight for"... :rolleyes: , then I will call a jackass a jackass. Your guy is a pussy who was afraid to go, for chrisakes, I'd change the subject if I was you. :cool:

Being touchy about YOUR guy being called a Benedict Arnold? Me thinks thou doth protest too much. Besides, if it really came back down to who went and who didn't as being a qualifier for Pres., what about Clinton? It didn't matter then, why now? The only reason I bring Slick Willy up is to highlight your total hypocrisy on the matter of military service being the main qualifier. Let's add to that with your assertion that National Guard service doesn't equate to military service. Are you also saying that the National Guard doesn't mean military service? That's straight out of McAullife and Carville's playbooks.

among jm's other good points, he nailed you (speeder) on that one.

I don't know what the # is, but I do know quite a few National Guardsmen fought in vietnam, and DIED in vietnam.

Understand something, speedr, a lot of us look at kerry the same way as you would look at Bush. . . if Bush came out with some cheezey home movies of his re-enacting his pilot duties. . . imagine Bush, at the controls. . .pushing the stick around, leaniing, back, fwd, left right . . .making airplane noises.

That's how stupid Kerry looks.

Kerry was in country' for 4 months.
ALL of his purple hearts where from minor scrapes. . .likely from screw-up from when he was shooting his re-enactments. (all that "shooting" can be dangerous. . .doncha-no)

If all it took was 3 PHs to come home, just how many folks stayed there when they could have come home? I have a relative who could have at least twice if that was the case, but he didn't. He stayed with his fellow servicemen and even won a Silver Star, not bad for a military firefighter. Too bad he was too busy saving lives instead of filming it. I guess reenacting his expliots for a camera were out of the question since he wasn't an officer nor was he rich and didn't have any ambition past saving lives and coming home, including his.

All politicians are liars. Surely you all understand that? Oh and back OT - saying John Kerry is unfit for command is a true statement.