John Kerrys Staff Destroys Womans Sign

SteveStromberg · 08-01-2004, 02:54 PM

I guess he doesnt like Free Speech

Not long after, Porter made her way to an area where Kerry was shaking hands with a large group of people. She eventually found herself exactly where she hoped she would be -- a few feet away from the man some hope will be the next president.

She held up her sign.

"Then it happened," Porter explains. "He reached up to shake a hand in the back and his eyes went up to my sign. He read it and then he looked into the crowd to see who was holding it -- and he looked me directly in the eyes."

"I hope he saw my pain. I was not angry, just pleading with him to understand. You could see the shock and surprise on his face," Porter said.

But within seconds, a Kerry campaign staff member approached Porter and grabbed her sign.

"You can't have that sign here," the Kerry staffer said.

The sign tore and Porter let go. After he had possession of it, the Kerry staffer "tore it to pieces" and walked away. "He wouldn't even let me have the pieces," Porter said.

http://michnews.com/artman/publish/article_4542.shtml

350HP930 · 08-01-2004, 03:17 PM

She should have been in the 'free speech zone' (which is most likely a non-visable fenced in area within a mile of the event). Didn't you know that already.

ronin · 08-01-2004, 03:58 PM

I like your sarcasm, but does this change the fact that the staff member is an *********?

lendaddy · 08-01-2004, 04:12 PM

"in the 'free speech zone' (which is most likely a non-visable fenced in area within a mile of the event). "

Not true, when I saw Bush speak Friday the protesters were allowed everywhere except on the grounds. There was no fence at all. Maybe that's a Kerry thing?

ubiquity0 · 08-01-2004, 04:12 PM

a$$.

The article is a bit vague whether its a staff member or a dem supporter though

911pcars · 08-01-2004, 10:06 PM

Thorough counseling should be a part of every planned abortion. It is an important decision to make, but at least there is an option for a woman to decide. Should we infer that this woman advocated no abortions under any circumstance? Not sure.

Sherwood

bryanthompson · bryanthompson's Garage

For lefties it's acceptable to kill an unborn human.
Unacceptable is showing pictures of them doing it.

free speech means we're forced to fund the Endowment of the Arts's 'artistic' photograph of a crucifix in a jar of urine, but if you express your right to oppose it you're an uncultured biggot.

RickM · RickM's Garage

Or aluminum ones....

Moneyguy1 · 08-02-2004, 09:12 AM

Bryan..

I do in essence agree that abortion, unless there are extreme problems, should not be an "elective" process.

I also think that, once the child is born, some plan should be in place to make sure that child is not the victim of parental abuse, poverty, a lousy educational system and so on.

So, do you think that those who are totally against abortion would volunteer to each adopt or at least sponsor one of these unwanted children and rear them?

Just an idea......

Icemaster · Icemaster's Garage

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Originally posted by Moneyguy1
So, do you think that those who are totally against abortion would volunteer to each adopt or at least sponsor one of these unwanted children and rear them?

Just an idea......

And a damn fine one at that, however it's a rhetorical question. The answer is no.

mikester · 08-02-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by bryanthompson
For lefties it's acceptable to kill an unborn human.
Unacceptable is showing pictures of them doing it.

free speech means we're forced to fund the Endowment of the Arts's 'artistic' photograph of a crucifix in a jar of urine, but if you express your right to oppose it you're an uncultured biggot.

In Orange County I've seen these Banner trucks running around the different freeways with police escorts. On the sides of the trucks are pictures, very graphic pictures of aborted fetus'. If the graphic nature of those pictures is okay for public consumption AND warrents a police escort then I say it should be okay for me to rent out a similar truck with a couple of naked porn stars getting it on in the @$$ and a caption that reads "Sodomy is a sin" and get a police escort for it...

...But that's just this liberal's opinion.

VaSteve · 08-02-2004, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by mikester
In Orange County I've seen these Banner trucks running around the different freeways with police escorts. On the sides of the trucks are pictures, very graphic pictures of aborted fetus'.

I went to Ocean City a couple years ago. Major traffic jam getting in (only 2 roads). Some group of f---ers had those signs up. I call it visual terrorism. There was no way to look away. I don't have any children, but what if I did ad they saw that and it gave them night mares? It pissed me off so bad, I almost went back and started some s---. Part of selling your message is proper packaging.

mikester · 08-02-2004, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by VaSteve
I went to Ocean City a couple years ago. Major traffic jam getting in (only 2 roads). Some group of f---ers had those signs up. I call it visual terrorism. There was no way to look away. I don't have any children, but what if I did ad they saw that and it gave them night mares? It pissed me off so bad, I almost went back and started some s---. Part of selling your message is proper packaging.

Right there with you bother. Exactly my point.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

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Originally posted by Moneyguy1

So, do you think that those who are totally against abortion would volunteer to each adopt or at least sponsor one of these unwanted children and rear them?

Just an idea......

we've had this discussion before. I've often argued that most "pro-life" people should be more appropriately termed "pro-birth", as they don't give a damn about what happens after the kid pops out. I don't see them lining up to adopt crack babies, or serve as foster parents, etc. I'm sure there are *some* who do, but not the lionshare, and certainly not the most vociferous ones.

Moneyguy1 · 08-02-2004, 06:51 PM

ANd that, in a nutshell, is the problem. You cannot do half of a project and declare it accomplished.

(oops..that doesn't sound right, does it?)

RickM · RickM's Garage

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Originally posted by nostatic
I don't see them lining up to adopt crack babies, or serve as foster parents, etc. I'm sure there are *some* who do, but not the lionshare, and certainly not the most vociferous ones.

Over the years I've known a few couples looking to adopt. It appeared really, really hard to adopt a US born baby. Simply not enough of them. (and a lot of red tape)

widebody911 · widebody911's Garage

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Originally posted by mikester
In Orange County I've seen these Banner trucks running around the different freeways with police escorts.

How do they manage to get police escorts? Are they paying for that?

djmcmath · 08-03-2004, 07:48 AM

Wow, lots of good stuff here. Some thoughts...

1 - Defending Kerry: a little out of character for me, but ubiquity does it best with his highlights. It isn't necessarily Kerry who doesn't support free speech, but rather his supporters/staff. That's not to say that Kerry does support dissenting opinions, merely that this article does not show that Kerry does not support free speech.

2 - I'm not so much into abortion, think it's generally a bad idea. But like most normal sane people, I think that posting pictures of aborted fetuses (fetii?) in public places is a bit over-the-top. Rule of Thumb: Any form of free speech that requires a police escort is probably across the line.

3 - Adoption -- I know a couple right now who's desperately trying to adopt, and can't, because there simply aren't enough available babies. I know another family who's adopted a whole bunch of kids, many from "bad backgrounds." He drives a full-sized van full of kids, only 2 of which are biologically his. Oh, and both families are pro-life Christians, just for the data point.

widebody911 · widebody911's Garage

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Originally posted by djmcmath

3 - Adoption -- I know a couple right now who's desperately trying to adopt, and can't, because there simply aren't enough available babies.

Interesting note - there are lots of children who need adoption, but not a lot of babies. Everyone seems to want the bun fresh out of the oven, or not at all.

FWIW, I was adopted - at age 8.

djmcmath · 08-03-2004, 08:40 AM

Good point, Thom -- though the guy with the full-sized van has adopted several "full-grown" ones, too. By the time they're 6 or 8 they're a bit more challenging to deal with, but often easier to come by. One of my best friends growing up was adopted when he was 4 or 5, too. It happens, but for obvious reasons it's less common.

Dan