Najaf

Mule · 08-12-2004, 10:35 AM

It appears as though all of the rats have retreated to the imam ali mosque. If they refuse to come out, should we risk American lives & assault the building or blow it to smithereens.

George 911-V8 · 08-12-2004, 10:37 AM

It looks like John Swift Boat Kerry is guarding the doors of the holy mosque

G

dd74 · 08-12-2004, 10:48 AM

I don't think we'll risk American lives by blowing it apart. That could probably be done with a small platoon or a couple good airstrikes. The broader implication is the holiness of the mosque - said to be the second holiest Islamic site on earth. Non-Islamics can't even enter it.

So that's where we have to be careful IMO.

kach22i · kach22i's Garage

Use the same gas the Russians used in that theater a couple of years back. If they black out, fine, if they die...so what?

jm951 · 08-12-2004, 12:16 PM

No problemo there, just surround it, cut off all food, water, elelctricity and telephone service to the mosque. Surround it with loudspeakers blaring the Bay City Rollers or (fill in your own obnoxious racket) and wait.

kach22i · kach22i's Garage

I seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

dd74 · 08-12-2004, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by jm951
No problemo there, just surround it, cut off all food, water, elelctricity and telephone service to the mosque. Surround it with loudspeakers blaring the Bay City Rollers or (fill in your own obnoxious racket) and wait.

Isn't that how they finally got Noriega, except the song was "I Fought The Law and the Law Won?" by The Clash.

Mule · 08-13-2004, 05:46 AM

Ya'll may have missed it but these guys are prone to shoot at us & if we back up far enough, they'll get away.

The gas the Russians used was a morphine derivative. That's not a bad idea.

lendaddy · 08-13-2004, 05:51 AM

I understand that if an actual attack on the temple or cemetary takes place, it will be the Iraqi Army, not us who will do so.

kach22i · kach22i's Garage

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Originally posted by Mule
The gas the Russians used was a morphine derivative. That's not a bad idea.

Good, the gas has nothing to do with pigs/swine...............we don't need a uprising.

Mule · 08-13-2004, 07:08 AM

I think we already have one. Hmmmmm, the sausage gas vapor bomb, now there's an idea!

djmcmath · 08-13-2004, 08:36 AM

Non-destructive assaults are so much fun.

We should just lob pigs at it for a while. Woohoo!

(ahem) In all seriousness, according to the Gentlemen's Laws Of Civilized Warfare, hiding in a religious building, shooting from a religious building, and using a religious building for a military base all invalidate the "holiness" of that religious building. If somebody parks their tank in the front courtyard of a mosque, and my helo-fired-rocket does damage to the mosque collateral to destroying the tank, that's considered acceptable. If I have to invade a mosque to suppress fire from within, that's considered technically acceptable.

OTOH, the Arab world would be in an uproar. Al Jazeera would claim that the evil blood-thirsty infidels violated the holiest mosque of the holy (may his name be blessed) Muhammed and that our blood should run in the streets. Then the mush-heads of the general American populous would quietly believe these things, as many of our news outlets seem to mostly paraphrase Al Jazeera, and would be upset about what we had done.

So it's a lose lose situation. You leave the rebels there, they cause nasty problems. You go in and get them, your own people rebel against you. Bummer.

Dan

djmcmath · 08-13-2004, 09:04 AM

From the NYT:
"TEHRAN, Aug. 12 - The American military's advance into the holy city of Najaf in Iraq to crush a Shiite rebel uprising aroused anger and frustration on Thursday among Shiite Muslims abroad. Many blamed the United States for what they described as an intentional and brutal humiliation by an occupying force that would provoke outrage if any holy shrines were destroyed."

(sigh) Like I said, lose-lose.

Dan

kach22i · kach22i's Garage

I picked up this link from yahoo News, who's keeping score?

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm

Mule · 08-13-2004, 10:23 AM

The bottom line is this: If we got each one of them a college education, a new Mercedes & a bl0w job, they would still hate us. So what's the big whoop? Two words: overwhelming force!

djmcmath · 08-13-2004, 10:30 AM

What's your point, Kach? What do you suggest we do to resolve the situation in Najaf?

Dan

turbocarrera · 08-13-2004, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by Mule
The bottom line is this: If we got each one of them a college education, a new Mercedes & a bl0w job, they would still hate us. So what's the big whoop? Two words: overwhelming force!

So you think they will hate Americans regardless, then why even be there? Why build hospitals and schools and roads and power plants? O ya - you want them exterminated.. and a little oil would be a bonus.

Once again Mule, why aren't you cleansing your home town?

Mule · 08-13-2004, 10:52 AM

Duhh, could it be that they were shooting at our planes every day & were daily violatng the cease fire agreement that Saddaam signed? Plus the fact that saddaam was one of a few people who was willing & able to provide our sworn enemies with chemical & biological weapons. Do you live in a cave?

turbocarrera · 08-13-2004, 11:07 AM

I'm just trying to understand what you would like to see happen over there, Mule. You think that Muslims will hate and want to kill you under any circumstance. Do you want to see every Muslim on the planet dead?

Mule · 08-13-2004, 11:12 AM

I don't know what "Muslims" intend to do. But I do know that a sustantial number of Muslims believe that the world would be a better place if I (and you too) were dead.