great reply.. so now I'm also lying uh.. great prospective on your attitudes. Please don't forget the next time to include I'm some kind of criminal.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1093191062.gif oh man, do you NOT see the hypocrisy of your words!!!?

. . .spinning is bad. . .unless it's Michael Moore-ish. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1093191062.gif

. . .Says the painter. :D Good one speeder.

ah . .yeeeah. . .I think that I already did that.

Now you want to constrain the arguement to who partook in free-fire zones, indiscriminate burning of villages . ..

yeah, you got me there. . .Kerry seems to get credit for that (thou' I think he was lying)

Wow, its amazing what secrets one can learn about the vietnam war by bull****ting with some guy in a marina in the 80's. :rolleyes:

Speeder, does it not seem strange that Kerry was turned down for his first PH. . .he then re-applied (contested, challenged, protested, whined-for. . .whatever the technical term was) for the PH medal ?

Sorry Island, You have shown nothing but a propensity for dodging the question.

Kerry has been on the two way range...Bush has not.
You said he (Bush) had experience under fire, like Kerry.
Still waiting for you to offer up this experience...Please answer the question. Thanks! Show me where I am wrong!


Yes, he (Bush) was in charge, and subsequent to, 9/11.

What a resume!

:rolleyes:

Lets make it clear. Folks in uniform get spit on all the time. I served at the end of the Vietnam era and have been spit on or had things thrown at me to ruin my uniform several times. I was once physically attacked on a campus. I made the punk wish he had never been born. My daughter (AF Reserve and ROTC student) was spit on recently on campus. Anyone wearing a uniform on a liberal college campus last year was a target. Chicken***** liberal punks know that military members are not allowed to fight back in a uniform unless you are in danger of physical harm.

That is okay. Now that I am retired, the next time someone spits upon me or a family member of mine, I will track them down and surgically remove their spitting apparatus.

Not calling you a liar, Ron, I'm just really surprised that I haven't seen this story on the campaign trail yet. The $$ is just waiting for you on this one. :rolleyes:

Maybe you could get producer+ on camera credit for the comercial: "Boat-owning lawyers for truth"..... :D

Kerry fought in Viet Nam, Bush used connections to avoid going. End of strory. I am really enjoying this campaign season, we've got a sissy-hawk administration that came into power through the frikkin' side door, has done more damage than anyone thought possible in 3 years, (like a really bad Kurt Vonnegut novel), and is now trying to win re-election by impugning the military record from 35 years ago of their oponent. With help from the brain trust shown here. Hilarious if it wasn't true. :(

Never had anyone spit on me...only come up and say "Thank you"
That has happened several times.
Specifically, one instance of this happening was in Olympia WA, last summer - VERY liberal city.
A buddy and I were at a festival along the waterfront there in between shifts. We rode our motorcycles down there, in uniform, just killing time until we had to go back on duty at Ft Lewis.

I do remember a "granola" looking female walking up to us and saying "Isn't your booth over there (pointing to a recruiting booth)." She had a little tone, indicating she didn't like seeing us there, but that was it.
She was outnumbered by people shaking our hands and taking pictures with us.

Not saying it (spitting) didn't, doesn't happen - just never to me, or anyone else I know. Vietnam Vets included - served with a bunch of those.

I spent a lot of time in uniform on a liberal campus during Vietnam. Neither I nor any of my acquaintances were ever spat on.

But then again, I don't have fintstone's winning personality.

I've said it before here: anyone who spits on a military member, (or anyone else for that matter), deserves a severe ass-kicking. That said, it seems that the story of Viet vets being spit on in airports has attained the status of urban legend, of course it probably happened somewhere but was not at all a common occurance.

Maybe it happened once, who knows, maybe a young Karl Rove or Roger Ailes even staged it knowing what lasting currency it would have in the right-wing AM radio moron world. :rolleyes:

You can stop holding your breath now. My daughter signed up for the AF reserve last year. I volunteered for Iraq myself. Lots of folks that post here have served...some like Smitty are still in Iraq and post here. Military service does not make their opinions any more relevant than any other voter's opinions. Nor does it make them any more able to determine is Kerry is truthful since he has been proven to lie on almost any topic.

As far as Kerry's medals....A lot of folks would have a lot more of them if they were able to write up the after action reports as Kerry did. Seems he was always the leading character...and they were always under intense fire....regardless of what anyone else says.
I have worked with several well-connected, glory-seeking young officers like Kerry. They show up, contribute little, get a couple of politically motivated awards (usually taking credit for the work of others or exaggerating their own efforts), and are on to the next job. Everyone else keeps on doing the work and taking the risks and receive little recognition. Most never even know about the awards since they usually come after the person as left and are presented at the new unit. It is like sticking your had in a bucket of water. Pull it out, and it is like it was never there. Thaty was Kerry until he chose to try to use his service to innoculate himself against his anti-defense voting record. Guess it worked in '71 and he assumed it would again. He did not realize that in '71, most of the witnesses were still in Vietnam and could not speak out. Now they can set the story straight.

When a stranger spits on you as you walk by..I cannot imagine the osmosis used to determine your personality.

An airport was a likely place to be spit on since we were required to travel in uniform. Most folks rarely wore one off base otherwise.

many true stories wll remain silent forever.

Fintstone:
Thank you for letting me breath!

You are right - military service does not necessarilly make your input on this forum more valuable, UNLESS you are simply refuting that ALL liberals are un-patriotic, military hating members of society.

I am liberal, I am patriotic, I love the military. I volunteered to do arguably the nastiest job in the current war (If WMD's had indeed been used I would have been doing Chemical surveys in contaminated areas).

Just wanted to go on record as demonstrating that the whole liberal military hater thing was a lie.

Also, just wanted to ask those who are spewing that filth if they answered the call, especially in regards to the current conflict they so vocally support. Afterall, since I am liberal and unpatriotic, CERTAINLY one of the patriotic "righties" could certainly top my measley contribution.

Aside from you (thank you for you and your daughters service!),
there has been silence from the peanut gallery.

BTW, what is your MOS, and what did you volunteer to do?

You do know that it's most likely that speeder wants to shut you down, BECAUSE he see's the compelling validity of your story. (?)

Who here doubts the validity of RoninLB's experience, as he tells it? . . . or doubts that there were a whole lot of guys serving in Vietnam who deserved those medals 10x more that John my-dreamy-after-action-reports Kerry ?

Yeah, that's it Island!! :D

"Marina boat owners for truth"........

or how about: "Republican boat owners for truth".... http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat4.gif http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat3.gif

Givin' me a siezure here......

"Crack smokin' Republicans for anything that will get our gangsters re-elected"?? :rolleyes:

yeah I guess so. I initally took it personally. I didn't realize I was a threat to his beliefs.

siezure, eh?

seems you've had a lot of those lately.

Ya know, you've got to breath thru your mouth when making these post . . . because we know you have GOT to be holding your nose. weee-huuuuuu. ..

Oh, I get it, you're tying to induce siezures in us.http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/fart.gif

ah. . yeah. . why don't YOU point out where I said Bush was shooting at an enemy.

What I said, in response to your curious statement "Experience Bush DOES NOT POSSESS." was:

You're kidding right!? Bush has 3 years experience fighting our newest threat (terrorism) and you compare that to Kerrys 4 months of swift-boat duty!?

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Ah. . I see it. . .. you have a limited understanding of the word "fighting" . . .apparently, for you, it must have only the single meaning of "being on the two way range." :rolleyes:

Ron, Nothing personal, but my "beliefs" are that your *lawyer handing out medals* story is bull*****. The kind of story that you would hear in a bar full of BS artists back in the '70s.

Let me guess, these floating medal vendors only gave out awards to liberals or Democrats, right? So all Republicans won their medals of valor fair and square, right?? :rolleyes:

I mean come on. Really. How stupid do I have to make myself in order to be a good Republican these days? :cool:

From that article:

Sounds like the US invented doctrine of pre-emptive strikes against imminent threats.

But apparently what is good for the goose is not good for the gander.

(edit) I better actually make a point. What you see here is chest thumping by the Iranians, in response to chest thumping by the Israelis. The Iranian response "some generals favor pre-emptive strokes" is a problem the US has brought on itself.

I reckon it is bollox too - if it was that easy, everyone would have requested 3 purple hearts and got out of there. As a 29 year-old, my overwhelming view of the Vietnam war was that it was fought by draftees who didn't want to be there.

This thread, and topic, is getting stupid.

My (obviously at least partially biased) view of the whole "Swift Boats vs Kerry" debate is that the SBV credibility has peaked.

Obviously, you believe what you want to believe when you read these the media articles, but unless you are one-eyed to the point of needing a pirates patch you would have to acknowledge that:

(a) the SBV have challenged Kerry's credibility and integrity; and
(b) they don't have much of said credibility or integrity themselves.

From now on, I'm gonna try and ignore this issue. Its stupid and negative. The baromoter of negativity and smear is firmly in the Republican camp right now.

sorry for threatning you....

Interesting how nobody is bringing up this novel...Interesting how Kerry won't re-release it...Interesting how copies are very very hard to come by.

Just release your records like you said you would Mr. Kerry.

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Love that upside down flag...So patriotic...So Purple Heart war-heroism...So full of ***** and pro-communist anti-Americanism.

Thanks Mr. Kerry, you singlehandedly won the war for Ho Chi Minh/Pol Pot/North Vietnam, let the communists torture and slaughter the Vietnamese dissenters, and assured a loogie as welcome home bouquet for our homecoming soldiers.

Motha@##$%%^$#%^#@@#$%^^&&$##@...

Interesting how nobody is bringing up this novel...Interesting how Kerry won't re-release it...Interesting how copies are very very hard to come by.

www.wintersoldier.com (there is a link to the text and pictures of the book on the left).

But then again, you know that because that is where you posted the link to that picture from. So it isn't "very very hard to come by" at all - in fact, it is freely available on the internet.

Not threatened in the least, pal, just laughing pretty hard at you. :)

I would say its a good example of what kind of precident bush has set except that germany and japan had set that precident long before bush did.

oh ok.. then violent reactions from you is routine... cool.

Bush is just doing his part to keep the tradition alive. :rolleyes:

And of course we all know the history of success that those other countries had w/ the policy. This is what happens when you have a C-minus student as the most powerful leader in the world. :cool:

The Swift Boat Invertebrates (as a local radio host calls them) have unwound even farther:

The other crew members on the skimmer where Kerry got his initial shrapnel wound, did not even recall William L. Schachte Jr, whose testimony in the book seems to put him in a position of scolding Kerry for his actions. I guess Schachte probably would have scolded Kerry had he been there, though.

OOPS!

I think that even though the swift boat cretin's propaganda may play well with the hardcore bush-war lovers its going to hurt him bad with the swing voters he needs who can't stand the stench of such a blatant smear campaign.

In all seriousness, what evidence do you guys have that the SBV's are lying? I mean besides the "official" reports written by Kerry himself? Ok, I admit he did not write them all, but he was the source for the reports best I can tell. I know you guys want it to be false, but proof would be nice.

They should have hatched this ~2 weeks before the election, so that there would be no time to investigate or dispute them.

*****-for-brains. :D

That is what scumbags and liars do...It would appear that Rove (although Rove has nothing to do with it other than sit back and watch JFK squirm) and the Swifties agree that this exposee of the "real John Kerry" stands up all on its own.

Making an allegation 2 weeks before an election is cheap...But unfortunately you libs love cheap, without cheap you wouldn't have a single politician...sorta narrows the field to Kerryesque gold-diggers and McGreedyesque con-artisits.

I assume you are talking about KPFK?(commie/Islamofascist public radio)

I think this might be the plan for right before the election . . .

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My point was that most copies have been destroyed and there has been no new release...I am not understanding something...In 1971 he was ashamed of his war hero status, even wrote a book about it, now he is proud of his "war hero" status and you cannot find a copy of the book if you tried.

The flips, the flops.
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