I guess he ended up realizing that what appeared to be attrocities at the time would be embraced as heroic actions by clueless folks like yourself.

Anything for a vote, right?

Apparently...however, it appears that the clueless sucker shoe fits snuggly on your foot...as I am voting Bush/Cheney/Halliburton/Oil/Iraqi People.

Mul

Are you proud of all this character assassination? I think I can picture your answer "its true, and what has to be done, has to be done".

Len

What proof do you want? You have SBV say so against other people's say so.

From the newpaper article (in NZ's newspaper today too):

You want to see flip flopping, look no further than Hoffman - "I was for John Kerry before I was against him"?

Damn you, made me re-read the whole 7 page thread looking for where I was "violent"(?) :confused:

WTF are you smoking, bubby? This is the OT, when someone posts BS they are fair game for ridicule, (all in good fun of course), ;) , but "violent"?

You know what they say about heat/kitchens/etc....

Peace out. :cool:

No?...You don't say?...the NZ newspaper quoting an editor (no duress there) from the Chicago Tribune?...The guy won't debate and was called by Kerry (more likely than not with an implied threat) to release his statement that says absolutely nothing revolutionary.

Why doesn't Kerry release his records Cam?...3 Purple Hearts, 1 silver star and 1 bronze star in 4+ months?...Not a single full day in the hospital..254 Swift Boat Veterans (some actually with real wounds and full-service) contradicting his opportunistic parasiticism...Rejected his medals, threw them over a wall, said he didn't throw them, he threw somebody elses, the medals, the ribbons (whatever confusing "nuanced" BS he spewed)...and now he has them hanging on his wall...

He lied about widespread attrocities to further his political career (since back-peddling)...He lied about Nixon sending him to Cambodia (since ignored by the media - including NZ's unbiased rag)..."seared, seared in his memory"...He married 2 millionaires and is a career politician who has never worked an "honest" day in his life.

And Bush has worked an "honest day" in his life?? :rolleyes:

Man, you are a piece of work. :D

NZ paper just carried a Reuters article, inlcuding some of that commentary from the Chicago Tribune guy (who was identified as such). If I were him, I would have tried to keep out of it too... he made the comment 5 minutes ago and you (for one) are calling into question his character.

Kerry did release records - they just don't say what you want them to. They say something else, and that eats at you. I'm not gonna refute the other stuff, this argument is tired and old and Kerry has rebutted it before - not especially convincingly, but he has.

Dude, the guy married a librarian...turned a baseball team around, turned an economy around and is currently beating the crap out of towel-headed terrorists.

No he didn't Cam...Do your homework before spouting off.

The economy isn't definitely turned around - it is matter for debate. This is racist --> "towel-headed".

Kerry released records. They show he got the medals. See:

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html

You are going to a pattern liar's website for confirmation?...These are not his records you sucker.

towel-head lover

Errr, whose records are they then?

I'm actually a "no-one hater"

It is strange that Kerry refuses to release all his records as Bush did. He has only released a small sample. Perhaps it is because there are some screwy things that he does not want us to see. For instance..why are ther 3 different silver star citations (the last dated 1986), each written portraying Kerry more heroically than the last? Pretty fishy if you ask me.

He has omitted the following...He merely has to sign a "form 180" and be done with it...He will not because it will corroborate the Swift Boat Veterans and the truth...

1. Medical reports describing his wounds.
2. Info about who submitted him for the Purple Hearts (little hint - KERRY submitted himself)
3. Additional after-action reports.
4. ALL performance reviews by his superiors.


Boston Globe, 6/16/2003: ........"I didn't really want to get involved in the war," Kerry said in a little-noticed contribution to a book of Vietnam reminiscences published in 1986. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing.

So it appears Kerry had no intention of battle...In fact he took the pussy way out by his own admission.

Ah come on - Bush's records which could be "found" are hardly equivocal in proving his whereabouts. They both guilty of dodging the question, IMO.

Bush didn't get caught lying...Kerry did

How is the marijuana you are smoking?...good *****?

No. It is a big difference. Bush signed to release any and all records that exist regarding his service. Kerry picked some that were favorable to him and released them. Big difference.

Fine - Kerry should release all his records. I cry UNCLE ;)

Thanks Cam. What do you think of the 2 different versions of his silver star citation on the link you posted (click on siver star and view page 1 and 2)...pretty fishy to be "doctoring" his military records almost 20 years later. looks like a smoking gun to me. Gee, it must be nice to be a congressman. I wonder what else has been changed/fabricated.

The vast majority of Americans didn't or don't serve; did/have you?

Certainly being patriotic or proud or having opinion is certainly not reserved only for those who did, is it?

I've never served in the armed forces; does that make me (and millions like me) "Homeboy Patriots"?? Do we all fall under the heading of letting others do our fighting for us??

Quite frankly, I find the idea that those who don't/didn't serve are somehow lesser insulting.

Agreed!

Step back and realize how asinine that statement is Lynn. I have spoken with countless vets and the vast majority (proven through polls) agreed with the plan for war. Now the fact that I chose not to serve means I cannot agree with the men whom I respect? Ya, that makes sense. Am I a little less for not serving? Ya I would say so, and a big part of me regrets it, but the fact that my opinion is in line with the majority that did makes me feel better. Also, you are the first I've ever heard try to berate those who did not, most have more class and are humble in their service.

Look Yankee,

I said the statement is asinine, and it is. If you want to make the connection to your general demeanor, so be it. Am I comfortible sending others to war, ofcourse not. No one is believe it or not. Now since you made the distinction, should only those who've seen combat be allowed to comment on war? I mean we gotta boil this down to who is really allowed to comment right.

Great, we're done then. I guess they should teach us early who is allowed to have an opinion. I'm off to golf. Buh bye.

http://store1.yimg.com/I/rnrdist_1794_18492805

Some one has to stay home and beat the living BS outta of communists and other socialist miscreants (see Democrats)...It is a job I happen to be good at.

"When I signed up for the swift boats, they had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing." -- John "seared, seared in my memory" Kerry

Sorta evens out the "Bush took the easy way out" argument don't it?

Now all we have left is Kerry is a liar who manufactured Purple Hearts, stabbed his fellow veterans in the back, won the war for the communist butchers and hired a National Security Advisor caught stealing top secret and sensitive documents during an important investigation.


Who wants to marry a millionairess?

huh.. . . how 'bout that!? Another Swift Boat combat memory turns fuzzy.

Though I still don't see that the lib's are getting it.
John Kerry's many stories are NOT even close to being consistant with each other, regardless of the SBVfT.. . .or GW Bush.

Kerry has a serious crediblity problem. No one takes the guy seriously.

OTOH, if GW Bush sez "hand-over your terrorists or we will kick the crap outta ya" . . . it will happen.

back to Kerry-- "hand-over your terrorists or I'll twist you arm . . unless you give me some sort of reverence award"

In these times, this is important.

Kerry committed treason...Bush did not.

I would think that elevates Bush' service above Kerry's.

The last three weeks of news have countered key claims of the Swifties, and links have been found between one of the key people behind SBCfT and the Bush administration.

So Bush's appearance today will give him the opportunity to distance himself from the slimers.

What do you think he'll say?

Bush has distanced himself...In fact he had absolutely nothing to do with them, other than being the opposition to Kerry...To say otherwise is a lie.

That said, the Swift Boat Veterans apparently need a good thorough discrediting, which must be relatively simple listening to the way you libs slander and impugn them.

Sign the form 180 John Kerry...Prove yourself either right or wrong...You said you would and you LIED (again).

What do you expect him to say? The've already condemned ALL of these ad as a practice, why would he need to condemn a particular one?

Says it all right there doesn't it?...Three weeks (?) of hostile media coverage, no tough questions asked of Kerry, no focus on his lies from Cambodia under Nixon, no grilling for total release of records.

Where was the intrepid press when the NAACP released ads tying Bush to the dragging death of James Byrd?...Where was the intrepid press when MoveOn.org (George Soros, etc) were airing ads suggesting Bush was Hitler?...Where was the intrepid press when Michael Moore released his fiction F911?

I'll tell you where...Giving them free advertising and friendly interviews.

Swift Boat Veterans not running for office, many decorated highly and served their full tours...AHHHHH....SLIMERS!....ATTACK DOGS!

You people are so full of crap you are beginning to smell like it.

There you go again Mul. Do you think its fair to put a pound of truth & reason in a sock, wind it up & beat these guys with it?

You can have your own opinion but not your own facts.

"But I know Kerry had this master plan"......

Even FOX wouldn't buy that one......

As has been pointed out many times before, that never happened.

I dont know who's feeding you this stuff, but it's really wacky.

And the press was all over 9/11, they just can't find that many problems with it -- just like nobody here has managed to find anything except the newspaper 'headline' that wasn't.

It really sounds like your world is one big paranoid fantasy. But I guess when you live in a city that will go 61% for Kerry, you're probably going to be constantly annoyed. Calling Kerry a 'commie' and a 'traitor' isn't winning you any converts, you know.

From the Moveon.org website of course...

GRAPHIC: Pictures Of Hitler
HITLER: (Speaking In German)
CHYRON: We have taken new measures to protect our homeland,

GRAPHIC: Pictures Of Hitler
HITLER: (Speaking In German)
CHYRON: I believe I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator,

GRAPHIC: Pictures Of Hitler
HITLER: (Speaking In German)
CHYRON: God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them,

GRAPHIC: Pictures of President Bush
HITLER: (Speaking In German)
CHYRON: and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did.

CHYRON: SOUND FAMILIAR?
BACKGROUND: Cheering German Crowd

MoveOn/Hitler
They were all over promoting it despite it being a campaign finance violation and riddled with deception...No where near the scrutiny the Swift Votes $150,000 commercial has been receiving.
I like to call a spade a shovel...The paranoia is clearly on your foot.

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN IN COMBAT OR A FIREFIGHT??????
IT WAS COMMON PRACTICE FOR OFFICERS TO GET MEDALS EASILY,THREE PHs IN 4 MONTHS,A QUCK TRIP HOME,SOME CREATIVE WRITING AND WEASLING
HOW MANY OF YOU ACTUALLY MADE THE FLIGHT HOME FROM VIETNAM?????.

Mul, those were among ideas for ads submitted by hundreds of people not unlike yourself.

They were never produced and never aired. They only exist as little video snippets on the Internet.

They were put up to be voted on for one or two choices for MoveOn to produce. They got almost no votes. Some think the videos were created by right-wing ringers to make MoveOn look bad.

In any case, MoveOn neither produced nor aired them.

Unless you want to argue about what 'aired' is... FYI, common parlance is broadcast = aired.