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" A house divided can not stand against itself."

Today the Repblican party is virtually in control of the USA government. They control the House, parity in the senate and the Presidency. Some might argue that they control the the Judiciary as well.

The Democratic Party is out of power and is desperate to return to the halls of power where they can control the shots. With the failure of the Centerist wing of the Democratic party in 2000 and 2002 the Ultra Liberal faction of the Party took over. Howard Dean never had a chanch being an outsider, it was virtually preordained that Kerry a Kennedy accolyte would be the nomimnie.

Out of this desperation to return to power there is a win at all cost mentality. Many in the ranks of the Democrats will do or say anything even to the detriment of the country to get elected. This is what Zell Miller alluded to in his speech.

The danger that the USA faces in the world is real. It is very possible that events can spiral out of control and bring our very way of life to an end. It is this willingness on the part of the Liberal Democrats to roll the dice for political gain in the face of this danger that is reprehensible in my view. This again is what Zell Miller alluded to in his speech.

To be sure Bush and his administration are not perfect and have made mistakes. What administration under pressure hasn't made them. The Greatest President the USA has ever had, was called a Baboon by members of his own cabinet, it literally took him 3 years of grievious defeats and poor generalship before he found a winning general. That man...President was Abraham Lincoln.

The villians here are not the Repblicans or the Democrats for we all have a stake in the well being of the country. We have different views as to how we are to achieve and even what the well being of the country should be. What we have to realize is that the real villian is our enemy who is willingly to die for his cause which is to bring the USA down. The divisivness that our political system is experiencing is providing our enemies with an opportunity to do so.

Thanks...your next Jimmy Buffet is on me.

<i>"This is what Zell Miller alluded to in his speech. "</i>

Zel didn't <u>allude</u> to anything in that speech. I'm thinking he probably won't be invited to anymore Kennedy cocktail parties after last night ...... :cool:

As passionate as Zell was in what he said last night, I'm thinking that getting an invite to another Kennedy cocktail party is the least of his concerns.

Zell would rather be spending his time with his family, anyway! :D

Randy

Zell should be checked for a brain tumor, he's all over the place. What does he stand for again?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040902/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_zell_miller_glance_1

Zell Miller, Then and Now

Wed Sep 1,11:18 PM ET


By The Associated Press

Georgia Sen. Zell Miller (news, bio, voting record), keynote speaker at this year's Republican National Convention, also was the keynote speaker at the 1992 Democratic National Convention. Here's a look at some of the remarks he made 12 years ago and his statements Wednesday.



1992: "We can't all be born rich and handsome and lucky, and that's why we have a Democratic Party. My family would still be isolated and destitute if we had not had FDR's Democratic brand of government."

2004: "In (the Democrats') warped way of thinking, America is the problem, not the solution. They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy. It is not their patriotism — it is their judgment that has been so sorely lacking."

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1992: "I made it because Franklin Delano Roosevelt energized this nation. I made it because Harry Truman fought for working families like mine. I made it because John Kennedy's rising tide lifted even our tiny boat. I made it because Lyndon Johnson showed America that people who were born poor didn't have to die poor. And I made it because a man with whom I served in the Georgia Senate — a man named Jimmy Carter — brought honesty and decency and integrity to public service."

2004: Democrats "claimed Carter's pacifism would lead to peace. They were wrong. They claimed Reagan's defense buildup would lead to war. They were wrong. And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry (news - web sites)."

"For more than twenty years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than any other national figure. As a war protester, Kerry blamed our military. As a Senator, he voted to weaken our military. And nothing shows that more sadly and more clearly than his vote this year to deny protective armor for our troops in harms way, far away."

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1992, about the first President Bush (news - web sites): "Four years ago, Mr. Bush told us he was a quiet man who hears the voices of quiet people. Today, we know the truth: George Bush (news - web sites) is a timid man who hears only the voices of caution and the status quo. Let's face facts: George Bush just doesn't get it. He doesn't see it; he doesn't feel it, and he's done nothing about it. That's why we cannot afford four more years.

2004, about the second President Bush: "George Bush understands that we need new strategies to meet new threats. John Kerry wants to re-fight yesterday's war. George Bush believes we have to fight today's war and be ready for tomorrow's challenges. George Bush is committed to providing the kind of forces it takes to root out terrorists. No matter what spider hole they may hide in or what rock they crawl under. George Bush wants to grab terrorists by the throat and not let them go to get a better grip."

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1992, why the first President Bush shouldn't be re-elected: "If the 'education president' gets another term, even our kids won't be able to spell potato. If the 'law and order president' gets another term the criminals will run wild, because our commander in chief talks like Dirty Harry, but acts like Barney Fife. If the 'environmental president' gets another term, the fish he catches off Kennebunkport will have three eyes. And folks, after January, George Bush is going to have plenty of time to go fishing. So much for the millionaire.

2004, why Democrats shouldn't criticize the second President Bush: "Now, while young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq (news - web sites) and the mountains of Afghanistan (news - web sites), our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrat's manic obsession to bring down our Commander in Chief

Oh yea, I remember that big famine in 2004, don't you?

http://miller.senate.gov/press/2004/02-12-04decency.html
"‘A famine in the land’. Has anyone more accurately described the situation we face in America today?

This is a interesting commentary:
http://www.stonewalldemocrats.org/trailmix/archives/000165.html

Paul on the road to Damascus comes to mind.

The political divisiveness is intended to draw attention away from the thievery and malfeasance. If we're occupied with whether or not gay guys should get married, we miss the little detail of the $8B Halliburton stole in Iraq (if you take government money, disburse it and can't account for it, that's theft)

That doesn't appear to be in Tabs's own words. Can someone find from where he may have lifted that?

Biggest clue: No spelling mistakes (that I noticed).

Chronolgy for all who don't have a calendar - 1992 is before 9/11/2001. 2004 is after 9/11/2004.

Things change, people change. To give you an example, I actually voted for the pacifist, "never-met-a-dictator-he-didn't- like" Jimmy Carter!

I wont make that mistake again. It's pretty obvious that Zell Miller feels his party no longer has the stomach to confront terrorists.

Zell Miller totally freaked out last night on Chris Matthews, it was nuts. He was grilled a few minutes earlier on CNN and got on Hardball with a chip on his shoulder. Chris asked him a pretty straight-up question and he got so pissed he challenged Chris to a duel !!!

YEAH, a duel!!
Guns at Dawn!

That guy is a first rate wacko.

Well the "then and now" AP piece seems to only look at economic issues in the past while comparing Zell's statements regarding security in the present. The article might be a poor attempt at spin doctor damage control by the DNC. Zell put a smack down on them last night and they know it.

Zell on Bush during last night's speech: "...he's the same man on Saturday night as he is on Sunday morning..."

Is that a plug for gay marriage? :D

Strong stuff.
The partisan lib's want to destroy Zel (&tabs);).. .because what he said cannot be argued. I think that many of us here have been seeing & saying what Zel spoke of. (ie. Burnin' oil recently wrote:I have this mental image of (bush bashers) urinating on everything around them, even their own food . . .)

That pretty much sums-up what he was telling us.

oh, that and bringing to light the type of politician John Kerry is. . . .He placed John Kerry as comparable to Ted Kennedy! :D That was brillant! OMG I was laughing hard!

oh, kach22i, I suposse you didn't listen to his speech. Zel was very clear that 9/11/01 was a pivitol event in the politics as usual.

Note he also referenced that the R candidate didn't take potshots at the sitting POTUS during the 1940 election (FDR/Wallace v Wilke/McNary). Zell also pointed out that even then, there was a notion of statesmanship rather than the current "win at any cost" liberalism that has pervaded the modern DNC.

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Makes me wonder why the DNC couldn't come up with anyone else. Lieberman, for example, would have at least kept the level of embarassment down, for the DNC.

Ofcoruse it can be argued, but I wouldn't ask Zell to do it, he might beat you up or shoot you or something. Blitzer and Matthews tried to get some decent explanations out of him last night and the guy erupted! Dem or not, the guy is crazy.

"Ofcoruse it can be argued . . ..the guy is crazy."

A sound argument, ya got there, Mat. http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/lol2.gif

c'mon, whaddya got?

zell sure did not stick to the tolerence theme the repubs have tried to paint. speaking of paint, notice how the cameras are always on people of color in the crowd? what do you supose they are getting at there? hmmm??

Widebody has a piece of it...this election is about who gets to run the "thievery"...Democrats or Repblican...When Johnson was President , NASA was put in Houston. Under Reagan and his deffense build up the defense industry in CA flourished. What is new, he who is in power gets to spread the wealth.

The Democratic Party of FDR and Harry Truman is LONG GONE. The party that championed the Rights of the small man is gone. Today what you have is a Democratic Party that is controled by an elite groups with lots of money. Gone is the idealism of the New Deal, it has been replaced with a cynicism, arrogance and greed. On one hand it is a win at any cost party, where the only ideal is one of situational ethics. The other hand it is one whose idealogy of socialism, spread your wealth, restict what you say and do for the common good as determined by them. In other words a Party of Bankrupt ideals.

This is the sea change you see in Zell Miller...Zell loved the party of the New Deal but has grown to detest the avarice, arrogance and divisivness that plagues the New Democratic Party, and Zell isn't the only one who see's it....

Zeke...I don't know whether to think that you paid me a complement by saying iI plagerized..that it was not as good as what I had written in the past or U thought it was far better?

Believe me I wrote it...it was hard to write it came slow.

I feel I failed in my central purpose..I was not writing about Zell but using him as a point of reference.

The point I wanted to make is that all this bickering and divisivness provides our enemies opportunity to attack us. Further and the MAIN point was that there are those who don't care about the country but think it still is business as usual and use divisivness for their own Political gain. They don't realize that what they could wind up with is a pyric victory.

Did we see the same speech last night or are there different RNCs happening right now? The RNC I've been watching has spent the last few days talking exclusively about John Kerry, twisting his voting record for political gain, and hasn't done much to unify or inspire anything but hatred for the opposition. Other than safety, or the lack thereof, I haven't heard a single issue brought up. Same convention?

Democrat Zel hit a grand slam last night. If the Republicans want to win, all they need do is run clips from his speech from now til November.

So all it takes is for a dem to come to the GOP side, look like a half-awake Mussolini behind the podium as he gives the opposition a new a-hole, and then he's instantly a "good ol' boy," not that Zel wasn't one to begin with? Is that what the Republicans tout as reaching out beyond their constituency?

Pathetic. :rolleyes:

The man looked crazed with seething anger. He spewed out stats on Kerry anyone can look up on the Internet & with that said nothing new. All he did was galvanize the party's hardline stance. So much for reeling in the undecided vote with vitriolic war talk...

Zel zonked!

I disagree, he said out loud and in public what the press won't and that's Kerry's voting record in the Senate. I can see a vote here or there against some things because that's how the process works, but Kerry has consistently voted for arming our troops with "spitballs" and the other thing that steams Zell is Kerry's disrespect for any military guys who weren't "on his boat" by blanket accusing them all of atrocities.

At the DNC convention, it was Kerry's war record, the Swifties started to sink that little boat, now they want to discuss the record, but Zell did that too. Where next for the DNC?

You all miss the point..this is not about Kerry. Kerry is only the point man, the symbol of the DNC. If you all listened closely Zell didn't even say the word Kerry for the first couple of minutes.

Kerry is merely a blip on the radar an inconsequential Senator who doesn't know which way the wind is blowing until someone tells him... The Issue is larger than Kerry, it's about a Party that is run by Limosene Liberals whose credo is elitism.... bash America first crowd...and that is not the party of FDR nor Harry Truman...GET IT?

Thats what this fight is about..whose vision of America are we going to have..the Limosenes Liberals elitism or GW's corporate Welfare State....which provides jobs and revenue

All do respect, Theodore:

1) Yes, this is all about Kerry, because Kerry might well bounce George out of the White House and give the GOP a good taste of what they fear. If they think otherwise, then they may as well hand over the door keys now.

2) The word, or identifier in this case, is spelled L-I-M-O-U-S-I-N-E.

SmileWavy

Dd it's a shell game everybody is supposed to be looking at Kerry and Bush..they are the flag bearers for their ideological cohorts...but what will hapeen once Kerry or Bush get in office...what is the vision the operating standard which they will work under who will they appoint .... and don't forget the nose in the trough..he who wields power gets to spread the wealth...

Do forgive me, for I have a disability and can't spell wright. I need public assistance to help me overcome my disability. I'm entitled to it...

dd, tabs is spot on; the Limobscene Liberals are just more of the bash America first crowd. They prey on those who feel uncomfortable with taking a stand. . . .unless it's a stand to save the Darter-Snail. . ."humans, (except those in the elite crowd, wink-wink) well they're just garbage. . .every elite knows that"

Do U want "Meathead" Rob Reiner telling you..you can't smoke cigars...in your own house, in your own backyard, because of second hand smoke.

Do you want the Govenment to control what you can buy or can't buy...because you can't be trusted to handle it properly...

More laws, more restricitons to help you save yourself from yourself... and who is there to tell you how to save yourself ...a Limousine Liberal....


Well Kerry should I start wiping with my left hand now that you've taken office?

Save for the cigar smoking, I think you just outlined Arnold S.; the liberal Repub that is destined for the White House, and the darling of the RNC, even according to the Christian Right.

As for which hand one wipes with, now c'mon: everyone knows that can only be corrected by nuns in parochial school.

Arnold can't be President. You must be a natural born citizen and have lived in the US for at least 14 years. Is this another New Jersey liberal attempt to change the rules?

Ahnold will never make it to the white house because there will never be another ammendment to the constitution. Too hard to get it ratified.

DD U forget Hitlery Clinton....she could out do any nun any day

Zell's a fruitcake. Total fruitcake. And not a liberal, and a democrat in name only. A kook. I'm very surprized he was chosen as the convention's keynote speaker. Beyond pathetic. Island thinks his remarks are irrefutable. I do not.

I think tabs' remarks are quite intriguing, with important truths.

Zell spoke at the Demcrat Convention in '92 and he was a big hit. Now he's a kook! Also, what is he saying that you don't agree with? The dems are beholden to the fringe left victimization, anti-war, abortions-for-everyone, gay rights, race hustlers. There are still great people in the Democratic party, but they're being shouted down by the bitter windbags.

All that can be debated, but where Zell Miller draws the line is when the anti-war, 60's crowd jumps up and queers the issue of how to execute the war on terror.

CM....don't U know when you've won the arguement...The points I made and Zellls without the hoopla and showmanship of politics are one and the same...

Well I'm just going to go ahead and shut my mouth then. Great thread Tabs.:D

Kerry is merely the spearhead of the Liberal wing the standard bearer to warm the seat in the White House....Zell was cutting off the spearhead so he doesn't get there.

However the reasons why Zell changed sides are the ones I illuminated...He sees the elietism in the Democratic Party and doesn't like it...he's of the old school and is a good ole boy from Georgia...an FDR Harry Truman Democrat...thats why the Deep South votes Repblican...ever since Nixon.