Expert Cited by CBS Says He Didn't Authenticate Papers
 

Expert Cited by CBS Says He Didn't Authenticate Papers

By Michael Dobbs and Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, September 14, 2004; Page A08

The lead expert retained by CBS News to examine disputed memos from President Bush's former squadron commander in the National Guard said yesterday that he examined only the late officer's signature and made no attempt to authenticate the documents themselves.

"There's no way that I, as a document expert, can authenticate them," Marcel Matley said in a telephone interview from San Francisco. The main reason, he said, is that they are "copies" that are "far removed" from the originals.

Matley's comments came amid growing evidence challenging the authenticity of the documents aired Wednesday on CBS's "60 Minutes." The program was part of an investigation asserting that Bush benefited from political favoritism in getting out of commitments to the Texas Air National Guard. On last night's "CBS Evening News," anchor Dan Rather said again that the network "believes the documents are authentic."

A detailed comparison by The Washington Post of memos obtained by CBS News with authenticated documents on Bush's National Guard service reveals dozens of inconsistencies, ranging from conflicting military terminology to different word-processing techniques.

The analysis shows that half a dozen Killian memos released earlier by the military were written with a standard typewriter using different formatting techniques from those characteristic of computer-generated documents. CBS's Killian memos bear numerous signs that are more consistent with modern-day word-processing programs, particularly Microsoft Word.

"I am personally 100 percent sure that they are fake," said Joseph M. Newcomer, author of several books on Windows programming, who worked on electronic typesetting techniques in the early 1970s. Newcomer said he had produced virtually exact replicas of the CBS documents using Microsoft Word formatting and the Times New Roman font.

Newcomer drew an analogy with an art expert trying to determine whether a painting of unknown provenance was painted by Leonardo Da Vinci. "If I was looking for a Da Vinci, I would look for characteristic brush strokes," he said. "If I found something that was painted with a modern synthetic brush, I would know that I have a forgery."

Meanwhile, Laura Bush became the first person from the White House to say the documents are likely forgeries. "You know they are probably altered," she told Radio Iowa in Des Moines yesterday. "And they probably are forgeries, and I think that's terrible, really."

Citing confidentiality issues, CBS News has declined to reveal the source of the disputed documents -- which have been in the network's possession for more than a month -- or to explain how they came to light after more than three decades. Yesterday, USA Today said that it had independently obtained copies of the documents "from a person with knowledge of Texas Air National Guard operations" who declined to be named "for fear of retaliation."

It was unclear whether the same person supplied the documents to both media outlets. USA Today said it had obtained its copies of the CBS documents Wednesday night "soon after" the "60 Minutes" broadcast, as well as another two purported Killian memos that had not been made public.

A detailed examination of the CBS documents beside authenticated Killian memos and other documents generated by Bush's 147th Fighter Interceptor Group suggests at least three areas of difference that are difficult to reconcile:

• Word-processing techniques. Of more than 100 records made available by the 147th Group and the Texas Air National Guard, none used the proportional spacing techniques characteristic of the CBS documents. Nor did they use a superscripted "th" in expressions such as "147th Group" and or "111th Fighter Intercept Squadron."

In a CBS News broadcast Friday night rebutting allegations that the documents had been forged, Rather displayed an authenticated Bush document from 1968 that included a small "th" next to the numbers "111" as proof that Guard typewriters were capable of producing superscripts. In fact, say Newcomer and other experts, the document aired by CBS News does not contain a superscript, because the top of the "th" character is at the same level as the rest of the type. Superscripts rise above the level of the type.

• Factual problems. A CBS document purportedly from Killian ordering Bush to report for his annual physical, dated May 4, 1972, gives Bush's address as "5000 Longmont #8, Houston." This address was used for many years by Bush's father, George H.W. Bush. National Guard documents suggest that the younger Bush stopped using that address in 1970 when he moved into an apartment, and did not use it again until late 1973 or 1974, when he moved to Cambridge, Mass., to attend Harvard Business School.

One CBS memo cites pressure allegedly being put on Killian by "Staudt," a reference to Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt, one of Bush's early commanders. But the memo is dated Aug. 18, 1973, nearly a year and a half after Staudt retired from the Guard. Questioned about the discrepancy over the weekend, CBS officials said that Staudt was a "mythic figure" in the Guard who exercised influence from behind the scenes even after his retirement.

• Stylistic differences. To outsiders, how an officer wrote his name and rank or referred to his military unit may seem arcane and unimportant. Within the military, however, such details are regulated by rules and tradition, and can be of great significance. The CBS memos contain several stylistic examples at odds with standard Guard procedures, as reflected in authenticated documents.

In memos previously released by the Pentagon or the White House, Killian signed his rank "Lt Col" or "Lt Colonel, TexANG," in a single line after his name without periods. In the CBS memos, the "Lt Colonel" is on the next line, sometimes with a period but without the customary reference to TexANG, for Texas Air National Guard.

An ex-Guard commander, retired Col. Bobby W. Hodges, whom CBS originally cited as a key source in authenticating its documents, pointed to discrepancies in military abbreviations as evidence that the CBS memos are forgeries. The Guard, he said, never used the abbreviation "grp" for "group" or "OETR" for an officer evaluation review, as in the CBS documents. The correct terminology, he said, is "gp" and "OER."

In its broadcast last night, CBS News produced a new expert, Bill Glennon, an information technology consultant. He said that IBM electric typewriters in use in 1972 could produce superscripts and proportional spacing similar to those used in the disputed documents.

Any argument to the contrary is "an out-and-out lie," Glennon said in a telephone interview. But Glennon said he is not a document expert, could not vouch for the memos' authenticity and only examined them online because CBS did not give him copies when asked to visit the network's offices.

Thomas Phinney, program manager for fonts for the Adobe company in Seattle, which helped to develop the modern Times New Roman font, disputed Glennon's statement to CBS. He said "fairly extensive testing" had convinced him that the fonts and formatting used in the CBS documents could not have been produced by the most sophisticated IBM typewriters in use in 1972, including the Selectric and the Executive. He said the two systems used fonts of different widths.

On last night's "CBS Evening News," Rather said "60 Minutes" had done a "content analysis" of the memos and found, for example, that the date that Bush was suspended from flying -- Aug. 1, 1972 -- matched information in the documents. He also noted that USA Today had separately obtained another memo from 1972 in which Killian asked to be updated on Bush's flight certification status.

CBS executives have pointed to Matley as their lead expert on whether the memos are genuine, and included him in a "CBS Evening News" defense of the story Friday. Matley said he spent five to eight hours examining the memos. "I knew I could not prove them authentic just from my expertise," he said. "I can't say either way from my expertise, the narrow, narrow little field of my expertise."

In looking at the photocopies, he said, "I really felt we could not definitively say which font this is." But, he said, "I didn't see anything that would definitively tell me these are not authentic."

Asked about Matley's comments, CBS spokeswoman Sandy Genelius said: "In the end, the gist is that it's inconclusive. People are coming down on both sides, which is to be expected when you're dealing with copies of documents."

Questions about the CBS documents have grown to the point that they overshadow the allegations of favorable treatment toward Bush.

Prominent conservatives such as Rush Limbaugh are insisting the documents are forged. New York Times columnist William Safire said yesterday that CBS should agree to an independent investigation. Brent Bozell, president of the Media Research Center, called on the network to apologize, saying: "The CBS story is a hoax and a fraud, and a cheap and sloppy one at that. It boggles the mind that Dan Rather and CBS continue to defend it."

Poor Dan. He's always been such an upstanding, unbiased national media figure :rolleyes: I really hate to see him squirm like this ....... I'm certain this was all just an innocent mistake and that nobody at CBS had a politcial agenda to promote ........

:D LOL, Mule.

Funny, too: the liberal radio shows are still saying the memos could be real.

And I could be the Pope! Ya never know!

OK, so they're fake--that's a given. In fact, they're such an obvious fake that the real question is: who forged them and why?

If the Kerry campaign or some well-meaning but not very bright ally did the deed, Kerry should withdraw and Dan Rather should spend the rest of his unscrupulous life confined to a small padded cell with Rush Limbaugh piped in 24 hours a day. Frankly, if Kerry and his cohorts would do something this dumb, they're not fit to govern. Do you really want a president that's that clueless about dirty tricks and their consequences?

Now, if the Bush campaign did it, this is a tactical masterstroke! It certainly makes a jackass out of the anti-Bush media, which they surely knew would jump all over the story with minimal fact checking. If Karl Rove wanted to ruin Dan Rather, he couldn't have written a better script than Rather did himself. And it casts doubt on every anti-Bush criticism and accusation the Kerry campaign makes going forward. Even the ones that are true.

Dan Rather should still end up in the Limbaugh cell, though, since his handling of the issue has destroyed his journalistic credibility no matter who it was that set him up.

Bet Dan wishes his contact bought a $10 typewriter at a frikin garage sale.

Side Note: Any one notice how absolutely Anti Bush CNN was last night. Holy $hit....it was unbelivable. Larry King was the absolute peak.....from Bill Maher to the preselected "Anybody but Bush" callers.

Dan in much happier times with his comrade Fidel ....... how come he never looks that happy around Bush? :cool:

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From the CBS Evening News website:

CONSUMER ALERT: Know of a scam that needs investigating? Tell us about it! Email us at scams@cbsnews.com.

Go ahead. Do it. You know you want to. :D

JP

This can't be good. ABC investigators interviewed CBS's own experts today. They both warned CBS that the documents did not appear authentic <u>before</u> the 60 minutes broadcast!!!!!!!!!! Both denied authenticating the documents!

CBS is sticking by their story ....... :rolleyes: Is this the bizarro world or what?

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:D Tom

Well, Maher is alright. He's independent and shows it quite well as he is an equal opportunity left-to-right slammer.

Rick: did you also catch the part where Maher accuses American journalism of being, "stupid, lazy and b!tchy?" That goes out to Rather as well.

I wonder what took so long? There's already a dedicated website: www.Rathergate.com :D

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These are so obviously fake...Rather and crew had to know:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/graphics/cbsdocs_091804.html

Arrogance before the fall.......Rally Johns analysis is right on...However one thing to add....Dan Rather and the Media has riden mighty high for the last 30 years, sometimes more powerfull than the government itself..so they were ripe for a fall...it was easy to lead them into a trap if thats what it was?

Boyz start thinking about the implications of this....the media might become afraid of their own shadows over this... if a big enough **** storm arises out of this the face of the media will be peramently changed


Bill Malher fair and balanced...yu gotta be kidding...he so far left it's pathetic...I didn't like it when he ambushed David Drier with MM.

I say left Rather falll..he deserves to be the sacraficial lamb.

Nahh, the normal vetting process for news stories should have caught this big, fat, whiffle ball. The problem is the level of competition between news outlets to get a "scoop", Karl Rove knew this and played Rather like a little b!tch.

It is funny, but if Rove gets caught the *****storm is going to boomerang back in his (handsome) face. :D

Nope; it was likely more like what you just did in that post.
Just as you did, Ra^ther took some idea that he wanted . . . really, really wanted to be true, and threw it out there, hoping it would stick. (ooops . .on both)

"Karl Rove knew, and played Rather like a little b!tch." :rolleyes: . .and for your next trick, you'll tell us how this Bush admin can't think it's way out of a paper-bag.:rolleyes:

I personally think, someone had an ax to grind with GW and dropped a bogus dime...and Rather had a case of wishfull thinking... and we found out after all these years that it's Danny boy who can't see the forest for the trees...

The media could really have a comeupence here....it just depends on how big of a **** storm it turns out to be...

Tabs: Maher is quite balanced. Maybe you happen to catch him during particular Bush-bashing moments. Regardless, he's on Kerry's back as much as he's on Bush's.

Jeez, how predictable of you: if they're not right, they're not "right," right? :rolleyes:

Why DD you simple minded Quacker....Malher is always bashing Bush....the seven minutes this the seven minutes that......oh Malher is about as fair and balanced as Dan Rather is with regards to Bush...maybe you should be listening critically instead of endless Ouacking off...

I hear what I hear, Tabs. Maher is fair and worth listening to.

Well then U should get a hearing aid...

That's a joke right?

The guy makes no bones about hating Bush and Republicans in general. I don't think even he would say he is "fair".

It's no joke. So what if he hates Bush and Republicans? That's not the issue, is it?

The issue is does he equally hate Kerry and/or Clinton and the Democrats?

Yes, he does, though "hate" is probably too strong. "Critical" is a better word.

This is why he's INDEPENDENT.

bwahhahahaa. . .

man, just cuz the guy will make fun of Clinton getting a BJ from a fat chick, hardly balances the guy to INDEPENDENT.

A few choice "independant" quotes for you.

President Bush is supporting Arnold but a lot of Republicans are not, because he is actually quite liberal. Karl Rove said if his father wasn't a Nazi, he wouldn't have any credibility with conservatives at all.

Jim Bakker spells his name with two k's because three would be too obvious.

The Clinton White House today said they would start to give national security and intelligence briefings to George Bush. I don't know how well this is working out. Today after the first one Bush said, 'I've got one question: What color is the red phone?'

Sounds like a well rounded centrist to me:rolleyes:

If you seriously think he is independant I can only laugh. Like I said before I doubt he would call himself an independent.

Hey! Cut the guy a break. That probably goes for independent in LA.

I too wonder about CBS' and Rather's stance, not that I get my quickie news from anything on mainstream TV. I'd think their news credibility would be more important to them (bottom line $$) than reveal obvious political favoritism this "forged" document has shown so far. Maybe there's something we still don't know. Remember, all we know is not everything there is to know - not only with these Killian papers.

HBO's Politically Incorrect is a comedy show with political commentary, and since it's campaign time what better subject to laugh at?

As far as being fair and balanced, it's not - but it's not altogether one-sided. It's a comedy show with political commentary. Didn't I just say this? This isn't Meet the Press nor is it the Sean Hannity Show that is unapologetically one-sided. It does have its share of panelists from both sides who aren't shy in expressing their opposing POVs. They're sometimes funny as well as sometimes insightful (remember, comedy show with political commentary). Mahr is funny. He has good writers.

I'd say 80-20, but the 80 isn't necessarily for Kerry. That 20% makes a difference, otherwise it'd be like Hannity's show. Unlike Hannity's unrelenting, holier-than-thou attitude, Mahr's show is funny, entertaining and informative. I can't even say that about CBS News.

MHO,
Sherwood

Did you look for any anti-Democratic comments? No? :rolleyes:

Lendaddy, your transparency never ceases to amaze me.

What's really funny is Maher couldn't give a **** what anyone in wherever-you-are Michigan thinks about him.

So chew on that, love. SmileWavy

I didn't know you had such an emotional attachment to the guy, I apologize.

dd, I usually think your posts are pretty well reasoned, etc. But I've got to disagree with you on this one. I've only watched Maher a handful of times over the years, but the impression he left with me is one of just another raving liberal masquerading as a middle-of-the-road talking head. Maybe I haven't watched him enough .....